Path: ...!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-1.nntp.ord.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2024 19:54:22 +0000 From: BTR1701 Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: Criminal Records Expunged for St. Louis Gun Couple References: <4enc7jp80vbphg0hc5iociurasnko1obk0@4ax.com> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.5.3b3 (Intel Mac OS X) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2024 12:52:00 -0700 Message-ID: Lines: 52 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-prMXA4fDXrrDRAVtHWhCic/FCHHm2j7oop1FviCo2Z+5Y6GGQ+QrEW/kc3Jrn6HzHzsnphWRFs6+aHd!wG+yTKrA6i4rP2YShOFWiiVBgCkuwyUshfD9Cn4Sz1N+a8bpRuszQ9Kk3xhzBVV3ngb5PJyCsSyX!m6w= X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 3785 In article , moviePig wrote: > On 6/22/2024 1:20 AM, The Horny Goat wrote: > > On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 23:13:14 -0400, moviePig > > wrote: > > > >>> But we don't care about the law as written, remember? It's only the > >>> spirit we should be concerned with. And the spirit of private property > >>> laws certainly does allow for warning off mobs of people in the middle > >>> of nationwide violent riots from trespassing on your land and doing you > >>> harm. > >> > >> Even if that were (absurdly) the "spirit" of private property, there are > >> other laws, including common-sense ones, whose "spirit" figures in, too. > > > > Nevertheless there are few cases in law where a warning to the bad > > guys is required. One of the key points in the Bouchie case was that > > in was on a farm a minimum of 1/2 hour from the nearest police station > > and where 4 drunken people came onto his farm, one attempting to get > > into the farmer's locked truck. > > > > In such situations (particularly with no immediate expectation of > > police attendance) I'm going to err on the side of the homeowner - and > > I wouldn't impose any further burden on the homeowner because he had > > reason to believe one or more of the 4 people in their truck was > > inebriated or of a different ethnicity. > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Colten_Boushie > > > > This particular verdict got roughly the same reaction as the OJ > > Simpson case but on a smaller scale and I guarantee Rhino would > > remember it. > > Here's an instructive (but fictional) example: > > The trespasser steps off the sidewalk and sits down on your lawn. > > You brandish your gun, saying, "Get off my lawn or I'll shoot." > > He yawns and remains seated. > > Comic-book fantasies aside, what do you do? That's why you don't threaten deadly force unless you're willing to use it. However that's a separate issue from whether just holding a gun as a screaming unruly mob-- which is already trespassing by its mere presence-- marches up the street toward you in the middle of a nationwide paroxysm of violence to which the police seem unwilling or unable to stand in opposition is, or ought to be, a criminal act.