Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: moviePig Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: Criminal Records Expunged for St. Louis Gun Couple Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2024 16:50:52 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 80 Message-ID: References: <4enc7jp80vbphg0hc5iociurasnko1obk0@4ax.com> Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2024 22:50:54 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="d2d90a48413b38a40b2d22a00d23c588"; logging-data="2449972"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+SqPjcGF9SSgO+U5YDdJCJ6X/CuT5mnzU=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:cSonzC3VLueigrZ1Z+bjg3/PuDY= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Bytes: 5251 On 6/25/2024 11:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote: > In article , > moviePig wrote: > >> On 6/25/2024 6:52 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>> In article , >>> moviePig wrote: >>> >>>> On 6/25/2024 3:52 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>> In article , >>>>> moviePig wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 6/22/2024 1:20 AM, The Horny Goat wrote: >>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 23:13:14 -0400, moviePig >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But we don't care about the law as written, remember? It's only the >>>>>>>>> spirit we should be concerned with. And the spirit of private >>>>>>>>> property laws certainly does allow for warning off mobs of people >>>>>>>>> in the middle of nationwide violent riots from trespassing on your >>>>>>>>> land and doing you harm. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Even if that were (absurdly) the "spirit" of private property, there >>>>>>>> are other laws, including common-sense ones, whose "spirit" figures >>>>>>>> in, too. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Nevertheless there are few cases in law where a warning to the bad >>>>>>> guys is required. One of the key points in the Bouchie case was that >>>>>>> in was on a farm a minimum of 1/2 hour from the nearest police station >>>>>>> and where 4 drunken people came onto his farm, one attempting to get >>>>>>> into the farmer's locked truck. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In such situations (particularly with no immediate expectation of >>>>>>> police attendance) I'm going to err on the side of the homeowner - and >>>>>>> I wouldn't impose any further burden on the homeowner because he had >>>>>>> reason to believe one or more of the 4 people in their truck was >>>>>>> inebriated or of a different ethnicity. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Colten_Boushie >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This particular verdict got roughly the same reaction as the OJ >>>>>>> Simpson case but on a smaller scale and I guarantee Rhino would >>>>>>> remember it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Here's an instructive (but fictional) example: >>>>>> >>>>>> The trespasser steps off the sidewalk and sits down on your lawn. >>>>>> >>>>>> You brandish your gun, saying, "Get off my lawn or I'll shoot." >>>>>> >>>>>> He yawns and remains seated. >>>>>> >>>>>> Comic-book fantasies aside, what do you do? >>>>> >>>>> That's why you don't threaten deadly force unless you're willing to use >>>>> it. >>>>> >>>>> However that's a separate issue from whether just holding a gun as a >>>>> screaming unruly mob-- which is already trespassing by its mere >>>>> presence-- marches up the street toward you in the middle of a >>>>> nationwide paroxysm of violence to which the police seem unwilling or >>>>> unable to stand in opposition is, or ought to be, a criminal act. >>>> >>>> In the circumstances you yourself paint, there's obviously no such thing >>>> as "*JUST* holding a gun". >> >>> Were the rooftop Koreans during the Rodney King riots criminals? >> >> I don't remember what you're talking about ...but possibly they were >> threatening deadly force. > > Google it. > > Theirs were among the only stores in those neighborhoods not looted > and/or burned, so apparently whatever they were threatening, it was > justified. Many obscenely wrong measures can be effective without being justified.