Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) V3 ---IGNORING ALL OTHER REPLIES Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2024 19:44:46 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 60 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2024 02:44:47 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="2f28c05d249972130f2ddc6107b08476"; logging-data="3903923"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/cFUVxeL4jevrTR3TJlzEO" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:1lQJOY8iS3NWxlupW2yliaV0Cqc= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Bytes: 4436 On 6/15/2024 6:57 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 6/15/24 7:40 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 6/15/2024 6:15 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>> On 6/15/24 2:55 PM, olcott wrote: >>>> On 6/15/2024 1:08 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>> On 6/15/24 1:39 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>> On 6/15/2024 12:17 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>> On 6/15/24 12:57 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>> On 6/13/2024 8:24 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 6/13/24 11:32 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It is contingent upon you to show the exact steps of how H >>>>>>>>>> computes >>>>>>>>>> the mapping from the x86 machine language finite string input to >>>>>>>>>> H(D,D) using the finite string transformation rules specified by >>>>>>>>>> the semantics of the x86 programming language that reaches the >>>>>>>>>> behavior of the directly executed D(D) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Why? I don't claim it can. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> When I ask you to provide the mapping from the input >>>>>>>> to H(D,D) to each step of the behavior of D(D) and >>>>>>>> and you refuse then within Socratic questioning you >>>>>>>> have proved to not be interested in an honest dialog. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No, by asking a Red Herring question, >>>>>> >>>>>> *In other words you DO NOT WANT AN HONEST DIALOGUE* >>>>> >>>>> No, YOU do not what honest dialogs, as you ask me to try to prove >>>>> something I don't claim to be do able, and I say why? >>>>> >>>> >>>> In other words you flat out do not understand that H is not >>>> being asked about the behavior of D(D). >>> >>> Then you don't understand that you just flat out admitted that your H >>> isn't a Halt Decider, and thus you have proven anything about the >>> Halting Problem. >>> >> >> You are either too stubborn or too ignorant to understand that >> deciders report on what their input specifies and thus not what >> you think that this input should mean. >> > > And, if the decider is a "Halt Decider" then the meaning of there inputs > is a reperesentation of a machine whose behavior the decider is supposed > to decide on. PERIOD. > Dogma counts for less than nothing. Bots can parrot textbooks. You must show the reasoning the enables H to see the behavior of D(D). -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer