Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: sci.logic,comp.theory Subject: Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2024 21:53:08 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 67 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2024 04:53:09 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="72fba8c553b5e17b65491f92678bf7b8"; logging-data="2175699"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18cLPGkOhtpCqKmZK6AWEjf" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:rF6UdPyGnyNfVCUrBSBpLpakclo= In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 4231 On 6/12/2024 9:42 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 6/12/24 10:32 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 6/12/2024 9:21 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>> On 6/12/24 10:01 PM, olcott wrote: >>>> On 6/12/2024 8:53 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>> On 6/12/24 9:37 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>> On 6/12/2024 7:57 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Nope. The concept and definition of natural numbers exist, but >>>>>>> doesn't derive from any part of the "universe". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Note, they don't "exist" as a substance, only as a concept, and >>>>>>> the universe is substance. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> OF EVERYTHING IF THERE IS NOTHING THAT MAKES AN EXPRESSION >>>>>> OF LANGUAGE X TRUE THENN (THEN AND ONLY THEN) X HAS NO TRUTH-MAKER. >>>>> >>>>> And how can we tell that there is nothing that makes the expression >>>>> of language true? >>>>> >>>> >>>> What makes the expression: "a frog" true? >>> >>> I don't know, what makes the expression: "a frog" true? >>> >>> It could be if put besides the picture of a frog, or a cage holding >>> one, or a box with a disection kit. >>> >>>> >>>>> Do you mean that Russel's Teapot has a truth-maker, because we can >>>>> not show that there is nothing that makes it true? >>>>> >>>> >>>> Truth need not be known. >>> >>> Then why do you insisit it must be provable? >>> >>>> If of EVERYTHING there is NOTHING that makes an expression >>>> of language X true then X is untrue. >>> >>> Does that only include things in that universe, or of any universe? >>> >> >> I changed my freaking words because you had trouble with the other >> words. WHEN I CHANGE THE WORDS TO MAKE THEM CLEARER I AM NOT FREAKING >> USING THE ORIGINAL FREAKING WORDS. >> > > And thus show that you don't have the mental ability to properly > communicate. > That is your excuse for not freaking paying attention? IT WAS YOU THAT DID NOT PAY ATTENTION. I changed the words in my paper based on your feedback. I have always used the term UNIVERSE to exactly mean EVERYTHING. If of EVERYTHING there is NOTHING that makes an expression of language X true then X is untrue. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer