Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: moviePig Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: Criminal Records Expunged for St. Louis Gun Couple Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2024 22:50:28 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 89 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2024 04:50:30 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="d2d90a48413b38a40b2d22a00d23c588"; logging-data="2057776"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/mqvzbBE/MTyWTZ0P0dsjj/O2otT6XWW0=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:yRuG2yM00MQcm4mkcqdfrI4Dhkc= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Bytes: 5410 On 6/25/2024 6:53 PM, BTR1701 wrote: > In article , > moviePig wrote: > >> On 6/25/2024 3:48 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>> In article , >>> moviePig wrote: >>> >>>> On 6/20/2024 10:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>> In article , FPP >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 6/20/24 9:35 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>> In article , FPP >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 6/19/24 3:09 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>> In article , >>>>>>>>> moviePig wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 6/19/2024 12:27 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> In article , >>>>>>>>>>> moviePig wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/18/2024 9:41 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> In article , >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Adam H. Kerman" wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ST. LOUIS (AP) - A judge has expunged the misdemeanor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convictions of a St. Louis couple who waved guns at racial >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> injustice protesters outside their mansion in 2020. Now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they want their guns back. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had no idea that four years later, this still hadn't happened. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was a gated community, which are all over St. Louis. They >>>>>>>>>>>>>> were trespassing. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Apparently 'trespassing' is a meaningless term when you're doing >>>>>>>>>>>>> it for 'social justice'. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Don't you even *pretend* there's a built-in tug-of-war between >>>>>>>>>>>> "trespassing" and "peaceable assembly"? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Maybe in a public place like a university quad, but not in a >>>>>>>>>>> private residential neighborhood. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Under the presumption that each point of view must give some ground >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Why would you presume that? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'd say that the protesters' rights depend on history, geometry, >>>>>>>>>> etc. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'd say (and I'd be right) that no protester has rights to come onto >>>>>>>>> my private property at all. I'm the only one who gets to decide who's >>>>>>>>> allowed and who isn't. It's pretty much in the definition. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> They were in the street, not on McClosky's property. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The street was private property, too, smooth brain. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And there's nothing wrong with indicating to a screaming mob that's >>>>>>> already trespassed on private property what will happen to them if they >>>>>>> trespass any further. >>>>> >>>>>> There certainly was something wrong, and they were charged based on the >>>>>> law as written. >>>>> >>>>> But we don't care about the law as written, remember? It's only the >>>>> spirit we should be concerned with. And the spirit of private property >>>>> laws certainly does allow for warning off mobs of people in the middle >>>>> of nationwide violent riots from trespassing on your land and doing you >>>>> harm. >>>> >>>> Even if that were (absurdly) the "spirit" of private property >>> >>> Of course it's within the spirit of private property laws. Private >>> property laws are meaningless if they provide you no remedy. >> >> It's in the spirit of private property to kill trespassers? > > Who killed (or even tried to kill) anyone here? Or even *threatened* to kill? ...in the "spirit" of private property?