Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Catrike Ryder Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: e-bikes are low powered motorcycles, not bicycles Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2024 17:43:07 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 46 Message-ID: References: <5vm12jla34bk4obe3sbm4skadbba2nqem4@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2024 23:43:10 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="89f1843f30835d41bb66c6886defdf79"; logging-data="1247480"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18uHzBkFDPW7zkt8RScsB9hJAVMJQfCiIk=" User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 Cancel-Lock: sha1:DAc2efAM4PcuC69yo/YztsFOOzE= Bytes: 3290 On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 21:29:50 GMT, Roger Merriman wrote: >AMuzi wrote: >> On 4/21/2024 9:07 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>> On 4/21/2024 4:09 PM, Roger Merriman wrote: >>>> >>>> A motor doesn’t make it a motor bike other than the very >>>> narrows of >>>> definitions. >>> >>> From a pure logic standpoint, I think that statement is >>> precisely backwards. A bike with a motor is quite obviously >>> a motor bike. The manufacturers lobbied legislatures very >>> heavily to carve a very narrow exception into the laws, for >>> legal and sales purposes. >>> >>> Which is not to say I totally condemn eBikes. There are >>> legitimate uses for them, and I suspect many of us will >>> someday require them. But they are problematic in several ways. >>> >>> I definitely think the upper speed for power assist is far >>> too high in the U.S. I think eBikes should give no assist >>> above 12 mph. >>> >> >> Without parsing the actual limit, Mr Merriman has a point. >> >> In plain English, a bicycle with assisted power is a 'motor >> bike' but statutorily there's a distinction between 'assist' >> and 'motor vehicle'. > >Indeed while a E bike has a motor it’s power out put and weight and how >it’s delivered are quite some distance away from a Motorbike, for example >just commuting into central london as I did last week. > >Arriving at the lights with an annoyingly ridden E hire bike and a >motorbike. The Motorbike from experience would easily out accelerate me, >the E bike while faster than say a roadie is comfortably within my ability >to out accelerate and also out pace. They where one of many E bikes that I >passed, I passed no motorcycles they all passed me. > >Roger Merriman There's a bigger difference between a Honda 125cc and a Harley Davidson than between an ebike and the Honda 125cc