Path: ...!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-2.nntp.ord.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2024 22:55:08 +0000 From: BTR1701 Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: Criminal Records Expunged for St. Louis Gun Couple References: <4enc7jp80vbphg0hc5iociurasnko1obk0@4ax.com> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.5.3b3 (Intel Mac OS X) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2024 15:52:45 -0700 Message-ID: Lines: 61 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-VLQ30Q6X3xmutZDnwm14CBsFTPn4QpC/pgza4eO0XkpIzYdJHL6RxaWCJoTPCcjCykvSOCYzmtA8T8R!/zvUkqCkfjMaYkcZ9UvgVhUJgZtAUqSZgldsC5tDT5PyWMHKDRlH/ldxBtYXUQJojRh9BIibfyOo!BLY= X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 4299 In article , moviePig wrote: > On 6/25/2024 3:52 PM, BTR1701 wrote: > > In article , > > moviePig wrote: > > > >> On 6/22/2024 1:20 AM, The Horny Goat wrote: > >>> On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 23:13:14 -0400, moviePig > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>>> But we don't care about the law as written, remember? It's only the > >>>>> spirit we should be concerned with. And the spirit of private property > >>>>> laws certainly does allow for warning off mobs of people in the middle > >>>>> of nationwide violent riots from trespassing on your land and doing you > >>>>> harm. > >>>> > >>>> Even if that were (absurdly) the "spirit" of private property, there are > >>>> other laws, including common-sense ones, whose "spirit" figures in, too. > >>> > >>> Nevertheless there are few cases in law where a warning to the bad > >>> guys is required. One of the key points in the Bouchie case was that > >>> in was on a farm a minimum of 1/2 hour from the nearest police station > >>> and where 4 drunken people came onto his farm, one attempting to get > >>> into the farmer's locked truck. > >>> > >>> In such situations (particularly with no immediate expectation of > >>> police attendance) I'm going to err on the side of the homeowner - and > >>> I wouldn't impose any further burden on the homeowner because he had > >>> reason to believe one or more of the 4 people in their truck was > >>> inebriated or of a different ethnicity. > >>> > >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Colten_Boushie > >>> > >>> This particular verdict got roughly the same reaction as the OJ > >>> Simpson case but on a smaller scale and I guarantee Rhino would > >>> remember it. > >> > >> Here's an instructive (but fictional) example: > >> > >> The trespasser steps off the sidewalk and sits down on your lawn. > >> > >> You brandish your gun, saying, "Get off my lawn or I'll shoot." > >> > >> He yawns and remains seated. > >> > >> Comic-book fantasies aside, what do you do? > > > > That's why you don't threaten deadly force unless you're willing to use > > it. > > > > However that's a separate issue from whether just holding a gun as a > > screaming unruly mob-- which is already trespassing by its mere > > presence-- marches up the street toward you in the middle of a > > nationwide paroxysm of violence to which the police seem unwilling or > > unable to stand in opposition is, or ought to be, a criminal act. > > In the circumstances you yourself paint, there's obviously no such thing > as "*JUST* holding a gun". Were the rooftop Koreans during the Rodney King riots criminals?