Path: ...!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-2.nntp.ord.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2024 03:15:51 +0000 From: BTR1701 Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: Criminal Records Expunged for St. Louis Gun Couple References: <4enc7jp80vbphg0hc5iociurasnko1obk0@4ax.com> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.5.3b3 (Intel Mac OS X) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2024 20:13:28 -0700 Message-ID: Lines: 75 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-Zx0rF9tZjpeDAv66KPqT3bk3LJ8+sSuyKDYhqwULiANGOwNIkD2VDRlSreqOy0P4xPNGrDmJpvfquno!dqEOjwvNRVq3HX3z10DeMQkkJgzcgE2Ck+ODj5L+U0LRNoLy7bbeZSrms2eM6nqQsH/pzwonEGx2!BNU= X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 4926 In article , moviePig wrote: > On 6/25/2024 6:52 PM, BTR1701 wrote: > > In article , > > moviePig wrote: > > > >> On 6/25/2024 3:52 PM, BTR1701 wrote: > >>> In article , > >>> moviePig wrote: > >>> > >>>> On 6/22/2024 1:20 AM, The Horny Goat wrote: > >>>>> On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 23:13:14 -0400, moviePig > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>>> But we don't care about the law as written, remember? It's only the > >>>>>>> spirit we should be concerned with. And the spirit of private > >>>>>>> property laws certainly does allow for warning off mobs of people > >>>>>>> in the middle of nationwide violent riots from trespassing on your > >>>>>>> land and doing you harm. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Even if that were (absurdly) the "spirit" of private property, there > >>>>>> are other laws, including common-sense ones, whose "spirit" figures > >>>>>> in, too. > >>>>> > >>>>> Nevertheless there are few cases in law where a warning to the bad > >>>>> guys is required. One of the key points in the Bouchie case was that > >>>>> in was on a farm a minimum of 1/2 hour from the nearest police station > >>>>> and where 4 drunken people came onto his farm, one attempting to get > >>>>> into the farmer's locked truck. > >>>>> > >>>>> In such situations (particularly with no immediate expectation of > >>>>> police attendance) I'm going to err on the side of the homeowner - and > >>>>> I wouldn't impose any further burden on the homeowner because he had > >>>>> reason to believe one or more of the 4 people in their truck was > >>>>> inebriated or of a different ethnicity. > >>>>> > >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Colten_Boushie > >>>>> > >>>>> This particular verdict got roughly the same reaction as the OJ > >>>>> Simpson case but on a smaller scale and I guarantee Rhino would > >>>>> remember it. > >>>> > >>>> Here's an instructive (but fictional) example: > >>>> > >>>> The trespasser steps off the sidewalk and sits down on your lawn. > >>>> > >>>> You brandish your gun, saying, "Get off my lawn or I'll shoot." > >>>> > >>>> He yawns and remains seated. > >>>> > >>>> Comic-book fantasies aside, what do you do? > >>> > >>> That's why you don't threaten deadly force unless you're willing to use > >>> it. > >>> > >>> However that's a separate issue from whether just holding a gun as a > >>> screaming unruly mob-- which is already trespassing by its mere > >>> presence-- marches up the street toward you in the middle of a > >>> nationwide paroxysm of violence to which the police seem unwilling or > >>> unable to stand in opposition is, or ought to be, a criminal act. > >> > >> In the circumstances you yourself paint, there's obviously no such thing > >> as "*JUST* holding a gun". > > > Were the rooftop Koreans during the Rodney King riots criminals? > > I don't remember what you're talking about ...but possibly they were > threatening deadly force. Google it. Theirs were among the only stores in those neighborhoods not looted and/or burned, so apparently whatever they were threatening, it was justified.