Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John R Walliker Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: Estimation of magnetic field strength of radiated immunity test Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2024 07:37:05 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 51 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2024 08:37:05 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="4f9477d36fcccbd3608815b191796964"; logging-data="3393893"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+62WXbJCU/Cvt3kP+TYD9Sffwl3v7+c74=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:OvTQRAsn9YHy7vXqdUJlhdpUCTc= Content-Language: en-GB In-Reply-To: Bytes: 3173 On 27/06/2024 23:44, Klaus Vestergaard Kragelund wrote: > Hi > > Normally when testing a product for radiated immunity one would apply a > field of 10V/m at a distance of 3m, to determine if the product is > susceptible to external incoming radiated fields. > > In my specific case, we have a 3MW converter which has quite high > internal fields, so I am doing an alternative test. > > In this test, I have measured the magnetic field at a certain point in > the cabinet next to the sub-block I am working on. That way I know the > magnetic field at this point, and the idea is then when we need to go to > the approval body to test radiated immunity, that we will set the level > of the antenna to match the recorded level next to the sub-block. > > Specifically I have used a near field probe to and measured a H field of > 30A/m at this sub-block at 1MHz. > > The near field probe voltage was recorded with a scope and in my lab I > wound a coil and ran a 1MHz signal through the coil until I got the same > level, then calculated the field with H = Iapplied*nturns/coilheight > > In the approvals test, the antenna is 3m away. Normally they use a level > of 10V/m and for far field approximation using 377ohm, the H field from > the antenna is H = 10V/m / 377ohm = 0.03A/m. > > At 1MHz, the wavelength is far above 3m, so the antenna will be in the > near field, so the resistance is 60ohms, and the field decays with 1/r^2 > distance since it's close to a magnetic field. > > Anyway, it seems the field needed at the antenna for this test would be > VERY large to generate H field of 30A/m 3meter from the antenna. > > How do I calculate that level and any inputs into if my reasoning above > is correct? > > I know that when you move into the near field, it's hard to predict the > far field level, but in this case is seems since I am operating at 1MHz > that both the antenna and DUT is in the near field... > > Thanks > > Klaus Why are you testing at 1MHz when radiated immunity testing is normally only done at frequencies higher than 80MHz? John