Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2024 05:55:40 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: Snopes Finally Debunks Left-Wing Claim of "Very Fine People" in Charlottesville Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv References: Content-Language: en-US From: trotsky In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 77 Path: ...!news-out.netnews.com!s1-1.netnews.com!feeder.usenetexpress.com!tr2.iad1.usenetexpress.com!news.newsdemon.com!not-for-mail Nntp-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2024 10:55:40 +0000 X-Received-Bytes: 4008 Organization: NewsDemon - www.newsdemon.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@newsdemon.com Message-Id: <17ddc2e97a47e23a$169216$916931$50d51a61@news.newsdemon.com> Bytes: 4326 On 6/29/24 12:15 PM, moviePig wrote: > On 6/29/2024 1:01 PM, moviePig wrote: >> On 6/29/2024 12:22 PM, trotsky wrote: >>> On 6/28/24 5:22 PM, moviePig wrote: >>>> On 6/28/2024 5:10 PM, shawn wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 28 Jun 2024 19:39:52 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> It's seven years after the fact and the damage has long since >>>>>>> been done, but >>>>>>> the left-wing fact checkers at Snopes have finally come out and >>>>>>> admitted the >>>>>>> whole claim that Trump called neo-Nazis "very fine people" was a >>>>>>> hoax. I have >>>>>>> no idea why, but credit where it's due, I suppose? >>>>>> >>>>>>> https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Eh >>>>>> >>>>>> It's another example of the more Trump talked, the more he buried >>>>>> himself. There was no way for him to win. He should have ignored >>>>>> it, or >>>>>> limited his comments to condemning the murder. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't put the "let's go beat up Nazis" counterprotestors on a high >>>>>> moral plane. As far as I could tell, the protestors on both sides had >>>>>> pretty low morals. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've personally objected to the removal of Civil War monuments making >>>>>> the generals god-like, but MY reason is rather different than the >>>>>> neo-Nazis: I don't think the modern generation should be re-writing >>>>>> history. A past generation erected those monuments and we need to >>>>>> look >>>>>> the ugliness of American history square in the face so we never >>>>>> forget >>>>>> that Civil War generals were honored by certain Americans for the >>>>>> modern >>>>>> politics of that era. >>>>> >>>>> People are worried about those statues glorifying the actions of those >>>>> people. I don't think the reasons behind the erecting of the statues >>>>> or the timing is brought up that often. Certainly I never knew growing >>>>> up the time frame for the erecting of the statues or the actual >>>>> reasons behind it. It would be better to have kept the statues and put >>>>> more effort into teaching the history behind their erection. >>>>> >>>>> Not that I think it would change things as it seems most people forget >>>>> what little bit of history they get taught in school not long after >>>>> leaving school. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I despite prettying up history. Trump was still wrong. >>>>> >>>>> Agreed. History is full of ugly moments that are best remembered in >>>>> the hopes that we don't repeat them. >>>> >>>> A descriptive plaque with any such statue would seem to be so >>>> obvious a solution that you have to wonder if both sides vehemently >>>> oppose it. >>> >>> >>> We don't need statues to learn history. >> >> In fact, these statues seem to be about forgetting it... > > Also: my point is that, even if Trump had said verbatim "Nazis are fine > people", it'd be defensible as a (non-Freudian) slip of the tongue > ...because Trump simply isn't suicidal.  And, trying to indict him on > such weak claims only undercuts the many strong ones. None of what you said has anything to do with the facts in evidence.