Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: moviePig Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: Snopes Finally Debunks Left-Wing Claim of "Very Fine People" in Charlottesville Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2024 12:29:30 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 87 Message-ID: References: <17ddc2e97a47e23a$169216$916931$50d51a61@news.newsdemon.com> Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2024 18:29:31 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="99490fd70b14ed72be333c699e21268b"; logging-data="641703"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+T3aboLNwoXZfF2FRrvV/w0DWrjfnQJs0=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:tXhPvYK3r3pOlZWFyqG1z4cl3PQ= In-Reply-To: <17ddc2e97a47e23a$169216$916931$50d51a61@news.newsdemon.com> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 4932 On 6/30/2024 6:55 AM, trotsky wrote: > On 6/29/24 12:15 PM, moviePig wrote: >> On 6/29/2024 1:01 PM, moviePig wrote: >>> On 6/29/2024 12:22 PM, trotsky wrote: >>>> On 6/28/24 5:22 PM, moviePig wrote: >>>>> On 6/28/2024 5:10 PM, shawn wrote: >>>>>> On Fri, 28 Jun 2024 19:39:52 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's seven years after the fact and the damage has long since >>>>>>>> been done, but >>>>>>>> the left-wing fact checkers at Snopes have finally come out and >>>>>>>> admitted the >>>>>>>> whole claim that Trump called neo-Nazis "very fine people" was a >>>>>>>> hoax. I have >>>>>>>> no idea why, but credit where it's due, I suppose? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Eh >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's another example of the more Trump talked, the more he buried >>>>>>> himself. There was no way for him to win. He should have ignored >>>>>>> it, or >>>>>>> limited his comments to condemning the murder. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't put the "let's go beat up Nazis" counterprotestors on a high >>>>>>> moral plane. As far as I could tell, the protestors on both sides >>>>>>> had >>>>>>> pretty low morals. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've personally objected to the removal of Civil War monuments >>>>>>> making >>>>>>> the generals god-like, but MY reason is rather different than the >>>>>>> neo-Nazis: I don't think the modern generation should be re-writing >>>>>>> history. A past generation erected those monuments and we need to >>>>>>> look >>>>>>> the ugliness of American history square in the face so we never >>>>>>> forget >>>>>>> that Civil War generals were honored by certain Americans for the >>>>>>> modern >>>>>>> politics of that era. >>>>>> >>>>>> People are worried about those statues glorifying the actions of >>>>>> those >>>>>> people. I don't think the reasons behind the erecting of the statues >>>>>> or the timing is brought up that often. Certainly I never knew >>>>>> growing >>>>>> up the time frame for the erecting of the statues or the actual >>>>>> reasons behind it. It would be better to have kept the statues and >>>>>> put >>>>>> more effort into teaching the history behind their erection. >>>>>> >>>>>> Not that I think it would change things as it seems most people >>>>>> forget >>>>>> what little bit of history they get taught in school not long after >>>>>> leaving school. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I despite prettying up history. Trump was still wrong. >>>>>> >>>>>> Agreed. History is full of ugly moments that are best remembered in >>>>>> the hopes that we don't repeat them. >>>>> >>>>> A descriptive plaque with any such statue would seem to be so >>>>> obvious a solution that you have to wonder if both sides vehemently >>>>> oppose it. >>>> >>>> >>>> We don't need statues to learn history. >>> >>> In fact, these statues seem to be about forgetting it... >> >> Also: my point is that, even if Trump had said verbatim "Nazis are >> fine people", it'd be defensible as a (non-Freudian) slip of the >> tongue ...because Trump simply isn't suicidal.  And, trying to indict >> him on such weak claims only undercuts the many strong ones. > > None of what you said has anything to do with the facts in evidence. The fact is that even if there were a video of Trump saying "Nazis are fine people" (which, afaik, there isn't) it would beggar plausibility.