Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: James Kuyper Newsgroups: comp.lang.c Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3A_technology_discussion_=E2=86=92_does_the_world_need?= =?UTF-8?B?IGEgIm5ldyIgQyA/?= Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2024 02:38:39 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 43 Message-ID: References: <871q48w98e.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> <87wmlzvfqp.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2024 08:38:39 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="8ee0f6de059aa2561c515748b1f9a8ec"; logging-data="1906805"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+wcbiN+Bpb+I146WpyVUO/Pqm4fA9v9bo=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:xtMurcn8ByPgM5btmxfN+Mm+o8A= In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3135 On Sat, 6 Jul 2024 19:53:56 +0100, bart wrote: > On 06/07/2024 19:28, James Kuyper wrote: > >> ... an expression that has type "array of type" is >> converted to an expression with type "pointer to type" that points to >> the initial element of the array object ..." (6.3.2.1p3). > > This is really, really pedantic. Even gcc doesn't get it right in that > case, because if I try and compile this: > > int a, b> a[b]; > > it says: > > error: subscripted value is neither array nor pointer nor vector There is no expression that has the type "array of type" in the above code. How is that relevant to what I wrote? For the subscript operator: "One of the expressions shall have type "pointer to complete object type", the other expression shall have integer type," (6.5.2.1p1) Neither a nor b has the type "pointer to complete object type". Both a and b have the type 'int'. How did you expect that code to be meaningful? Note that a[&b] would be valid, since &b is treated for this purpose as a pointer to the first element of a 1-element array. Note that the standard doesn't mandate which expression have the pointer type; that's because a[&b] is defined as *(a + &b), and you can add a pointer to an integer in either order, so you can subscript an array as array[5] or 5[array]. > 'Subscripting' I think we can agree is the same thing as 'indexing': > what those funny square brackets do. I can agree that subscripting is indeed what those square brackets do. The C standard never mentions indexing, but I do agree that there is a correspondence. However, if you derive any conclusions from that correspondence that contradict what the C standard says about subscripting, those conclusions are invalid.