Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!diablo1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feeder.usenetexpress.com!tr3.iad1.usenetexpress.com!198.186.190.30.MISMATCH!news-out.netnews.com|netnews.com!postmaster.netnews.com!us2.netnews.com!not-for-mail X-Trace: DXC=dBH_nVCn5;cQmXLb:2Rl8bHWonT5<]0TmQ;nb^V>PUff5[gZBW6J?Llo>@oN;JD0Zc;?6VI\NVo5`;P;LXY4GAXgf0>k00;aQjg4oYC1[ECcNg X-Complaints-To: support@blocknews.net From: Skeeter Newsgroups: alt.atheism,rec.sport.pro-wrestling Subject: Re: Sermon On The Mount Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2024 10:51:46 -0600 References:

<%SjON.762036$p%Mb.11195@fx15.iad> <17c22d00da46064a$96254$3081049$72dd786b@news.thecubenet.com> <660afc8b$0$1129685$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> <660d9859$0$3711207$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> <660d9eeb$0$3711189$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> <17c2dc96aff8594a$169751$3716115$22dd286e@news.thecubenet.com> <660dc0ca$0$1082214$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> <660f1c8a$0$2422123$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> <17c34d75f63bad6b$147543$2601257$eadde062@news.thecubenet.com> Organization: UTB MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: MicroPlanet-Gravity/3.0.4 X-Face: *thX1BaTM~DW)y>UfN@S{EF}]NVJb0tk>I;DH,6H"b{{C$VcEn`hIJ(KzC}m2chzq9"omiT xnX+jm>bwDDZ{;7/l:)Usx5=JP2f3_l'.TN%0)q2N[_CgpW;Xlq3`1j32e& X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 240404-6, 4/4/2024), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Lines: 258 Message-ID: <66102c23$0$2909311$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 X-Trace: 1712335907 reader.netnews.com 2909311 127.0.0.1:39973 Bytes: 13263 In article <17c34d75f63bad6b$147543$2601257$eadde062 @news.thecubenet.com>, precent@yohoo.not says... > > Ted wrote: > > Skeeter wrote: > > > >> In article , ted.street@gmail.com > >> says... > >>> > >>> ratboy frogging Ted wrote: > >>> > >>>> Skeeter wrote: > >>>>> In article <17c2dc96aff8594a$169751$3716115 > >>>>> $22dd286e@news.thecubenet.com>, precent@yohoo.not says... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Ted wrote: > >>>>>>> Skeeter wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> In article > >>>>>>>> <660d9859$0$3711207$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, > >>>>>>>> skeeterweed@photonmail.com says... > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> In article , > >>>>>>>>> ted.road@qmail.com says... > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> In article > >>>>>>>>>>> , > >>>>>>>>>>> skeeter@hotmale.com says... > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> In article > >>>>>>>>>> <17c22d00da46064a$96254$3081049$72dd786b@news.thecuben > >>>>>>>>>> et.c om>, precent@yohoo.not says... > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ted wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <%SjON.762036$p%Mb.11195@fx15.iad>, > >>>>>>>>>> ted.street@gmail.com >>>>> says... > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David LaRue wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Ted" wrote in > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:wjhON.99871$24ld.78660@fx07.iad: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> % wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Voice of Authority wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why did the Romans crucify Jesus? Because > >>>> he had >>>>>>become >>>>>>>>>>>> too woke. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --bks > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was also a Communist. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus of Nazareth is a figure who > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is often emulated > >>>>>>>>>> for his >>>>>>>>>> emphasis on kindness, mercy and love, but > >>>> many >>>>>>of his >>>>>>> disciples >> > seem to miss a very large > >>>> part of >>>>>>his teachings in >>>>>>> their attempts >> > to > >>>> mimic his virtues. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many of Jesusā?? ideas would be considered > >>>>>>>>>> controversial in >>>>>>> the >> > modern world, but his > >>>> attitudes >>>>>>regarding economics >>>>>>> would be >> > > >>>> especially radical, >>>>>>aligning less with the >>>>>>> > >>>> conservative views of >> > many of >>>>>>his followers and more > >>>> with >>>>>>> the far-left views we now >>>>>>call >> > communist. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, the mainstream > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interpretations of Jesusā?? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philosophy seem >> > to ignore or undermine his > >>>> economic >>>>>>ideals, >>>>>>> most often in the >> > interest of > >>>> preserving >>>>>>capitalism. >>>>>>> American history has given > >>>> us >> > many >>>>>>examples of Biblical >>>>>>> interpretations > >>>> being used to excuse >>>>>>>>>harmful institutions >>>>>>> such > >>>> as slavery and attempt to >>>>>>de-radicalize >> > the image of > >>>>>>>>>>> popular figures such as >>>>>>Martin Luther King Jr. It > >>>> is >> > only >>>>>>> responsible that >>>>>>we separate Jesusā?? > >>>> relationship with money >> >>>>>>>> from > >>>>>>>>>> that of any churches who stand to profit financially > >>>>>>>>>> from > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> more >> > capitalist interpretations of his words. >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can read stories about Jesusā?? emphasis > >>>> on >>>>>>communal >>>>>>> practices, >> > like sharing meals and > >>>> labor and >>>>>>starting the >>>>>>> tradition now >> > referred > >>>> to as >>>>>>ā??communion.ā?¯ We can also see >>>>>>> that he has > >>>> a >> > >>>>>>particular interest in the needs of people who > >>>>>>>>>>> his >>>>>>society would >> > rather abandon such as women > >>>> who had >>>>>>> >>>>>>committed adultery and those >> > with > >>>> leprosy or physical >>>>>>>>>>>>>disabilities. >> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> He tells his followers to >>>>>>forgive their debtors, that they > >>>>>>>>>>> should >> > not store up >>>>>>treasures on earth and > >>>> that they cannot >>>>>>> serve both God >> >>>>>>>and money. In > >>>> Matthew 21, he becomes so >>>>>>> enraged by >>>>>>people using a > >>>>>>> temple for economic exchange, he >>>>>>> >>>>>>starts > >>>> flipping tables. >> > >>>>>>>>>> In Matthew 19, a rich >>>>>>man > >>>> approaches him for instruction and >>>>>>> Jesus >> > tells > >>>>>>>>>> him to give up all his possessions and give the >>>>>>> > >>>> money to >>>>>>the >> > poor. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ā??It is easier for a camel to go through > >>>> the eye >>>>>>of a >>>>>>> needle than >> > for someone who is > >>>> rich to enter >>>>>>the Kingdom of >>>>>>> God,ā?¯ Jesus said in > >>>>>>> Matthew 19:24 > >>>>>>>>>> NIV. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This notion that a rich person would have to > >>>> stop >>>>>>being >>>>>>> rich in >> > order to follow him is > >>>> explicitly >>>>>>incompatible with >>>>>>> capitalist >> > > >>>> thinking. Why make >>>>>>people choose between >>>>>>> following > >>>> him and pursuing >> > >>>>>>wealth unless he dislikes the >>>>>>> > >>>> effects of wealth and hopes >>>>>>to >> > counteract them in some > >>>> way >>>>>>> by encouraging an >>>>>>alternative lifestyle >> > > >>>> among his followers? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Despite the context and direct nature of his > >>>>>>>>>> statement, it >>>>>>> seems >> > to be interpreted quite > >>>>>>>>>> differently by many wealthy and >>>>>>> influential >> > > >>>>>>>>>> Christians who have yet to give up their >>>>>>> > >>>> possessions. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Under capitalism, > >>>> interpretations favored by rich >>>>>>people are >>>>>>> given >> > >>>>> more of a platform. This has >>>>>>created the exact type of > >>>>>>>>>>> hierarchy >> > among Jesusā?? >>>>>>fans that he devoted > >>>> so much time to >>>>>>> warning against. >> >>>>>>>His attempts > >>>> to redistribute power are >>>>>>> often >>>>>>downplayed, and > >>>> this >> > is interpreted instead as a story >>>>>>>>>>>>>about > >>>> how nobody is perfect. >> > >>>>>>>>>> SIUE is > >>>>>>>>>> home to a large Christian population, including 20 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christian organizations, whose members I > >>>>>>>>>> sincerely hope will > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> avoid >> > such a convenient dismissal of this > >>>> issue. All >>>>>>of us at >>>>>>> SIUE, >> > Christian or > >>>> otherwise, should >>>>>>question the >>>>>>> motivations of our > >>>>>>> sources. Information >>>>>>is never presented >>>>>>> > >>>> without an agenda, and it >> > is >>>>>>alarmingly common for > >>>>>>>>>>> information to be presented in >>>>>>deceitful >> > ways. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> An idea as simple as ā??love your > >>>> neighborsā?¯ can >>>>>>be used >>>>>>> to promote >> > the exact > >>>> opposite message. I >>>>>>hope that any >>>>>>> readers seeking > >>>> to >> > understand Jesusā?? >>>>>>words will think >>>>>>> > >>>> critically about their own >> > >>>>>>ideologies as well and > >>>> whether >>>>>>> they align more closely >>>>>>with the >> > > >>>> whitewashed commercial >>>>>>> version that grants >>>>>>wishes > >>>> or the radical >> > political figure >>>>>>> portrayed in > >>>>>>>>>> the Bible. >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nobody reads anything this long > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly. In fact, the motivation is > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not to even start > >>>>>>>>>> reading >>>>>>>> it. Very brief posts, otoh, almost always > >>>> get > >>>>>>>>>> read. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus (and God) taught those that were > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> willing to learn. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you were unwilling to read a few > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> words, let alone > >>>>>>>>>> books, how do >>>>>>> you hope to learn what was being > >>>> taught? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus and the New Testament were needed > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of the > >>>>>>>>>> many that >>>>>>> were unwilling to learn and follow the > >>>> simple >>>>>>rules of the Old >>>>>>> Testament. He wants you to > >>>> understand >>>>>>and follow him. It is >>>>>>> your choice. ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========