Path: ...!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-1.nntp.ord.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2024 15:57:42 +0000 From: Rich Ulrich Newsgroups: sci.lang,alt.usage.english Subject: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ... Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2024 11:57:42 -0400 Message-ID: References: <895daj58pqdi5h1dfrfrhqj660j5eps9h4@4ax.com> <3gvfaj1dqlutl7gqjequ2g38du9kkeql1h@4ax.com> User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 100 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-8oplPtF7k3JeIDLbCf6XGiSSQmgoqp1STdAEQ42m2lMjtF04cpqJfd+kwp+XHKaCmAA2Hp+Iz9eqoT0!kD6awxsCBY/SmxrstgNDOe68z41+WaH5T6UGujExbh2dHWRD566EmLiMh/AoRakNN3QNfQ8= X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 5794 On Tue, 30 Jul 2024 06:26:10 +0100, Hibou wrote: >Le 29/07/2024 à 22:24, Rich Ulrich a écrit : >> Hibou wrote: >>> >>> I've been called stupid countless times, especially in Usenet fora, and >>> met many who have clung to demonstrably false beliefs (dear old >>> fr.soc.religion in its heyday!) - too many, I think, to infer that they >>> were all suffering from some syndrome or other. It's just human nature, >>> innit? >> >> I will repeat, neurotypicals (NTs) and Aspies overlap a lot. But when >> a person shows a bunch of separate, rare traits ... > >I don't think clinging to debating positions is rare, and dismissing >critics as stupid or liars is one way of doing so. (It reminds me of >dictatorships.) I'm reminded of that maxim taught to teachers, "There is no such thing as a stupid question." Bob never learned that one, nor (it seemed) the concept of someone being misled or otherwise mistaken. Starting a discussion by saying "you must be stupid" is even worse than saying "that is a stupid idea" -- IIRC, he never made that distinction, either. > >> that is what >> adds up to a diagnosis. And, How often does a behavior show up? >> >> I counted at one time -- in a month, Bob called 11 different people >> Stupid or Liar. Or it might have been about that many for each >> word (it's been a long time). Do you excuse that as 'human nature'? > >I don't excuse it at all. > >> I found myself interacting with him a lot because I had sort of taken >> on the task of a monitor in the stats groups, > >A self-appointed moderator? Yep. This was an open group, but I took it on myself to see that every question got some response. At the least, I would ask if anybody had a suggestion of what other group might be relevant. And I would at least try to deflect his hostile attention to myself, while apologizing to the Poster. > >> and he was prone to >> (even) start out, like, "You must be stupid to ask THAT." This was >> from a guy who spent his working life as a college professor who >> was not well liked by his students (and there is another story, >> there). > >He appears to have been a big influence in your life. Yes -- I had worked on psychiatric research for 35 years, learning about schizophrenia, depression, borderline personality, hyperactive kids, and a little bit about what I still call 'retarded'. But I knew nothing of autism or Aspies. To figure him out, once I got as far as 'autism', I read multiple books, and I started reading the autism group (no relevant posts, now, in years). It added a new range to my understanding of how people screw up in their reasoning and coping. I suppose that figuring out Trump's problems has been a comparable course of study, though less successful. True Narcissists, it turns out, are practically beyond predicting (if you aren't one?). The notion of 'dual diagnosis' helps, with Trump, I figure, since he is also a sociopath -- a somewhat easier diagnosis. > >>>> I don't know how much of their problem is created or influenced >>>> by the aftermath of their own social ineptness -- a feature >>>> have not been discussing. The Usenet autism group once posted >>>> a note by a woman who said that her child's kindergarten teacher >>>> praised the daughter for her 'maturity' since she never joined in >>>> when kids were bullying or hassling. The teacher did not >>>> recognize that the daughter was not mature, she simply did not >>>> UNDERSTAND why the bullying was taking place; she did not >>>> join in automatically, because she did not fit in. >>>> >>>> Aspies are not insulted by the same things neurotypicals >>>> consider insulting, so they make social mistakes. They get called >>>> Stupid or Liar when they claim they did not UNDERSTAND that >>>> someone would (or would not) be offended by something. >>>> " - Okay, you insulted my shirt. My mama picked it out, not me. >>>> Why should I be offended?" Or the Aspie might insult a shirt, >>>> while imagining they were offering a trivial observation. [...] >>> >>> Goodness me! I am learning a lot. (I have Asperger's myself.) >> >> You're welcome? > >Do please continue. I'm eager to learn more. -- Rich Ulrich