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From: RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: More farm workers infected by the dairy virus
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2024 11:44:00 -0500
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On 7/13/2024 9:04 AM, RonO wrote:
> https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/three-presumptive-bird-flu-cases-reported-poultry-workers-colorado-rcna161686
> 
> 3 farm workers cleaning up an infected poultry farm were infected by the 
> Dairy virus.  Where the Dairy virus goes poultry flocks start to go 
> down.  In Michigan they found that some dairy workers at infected farms 
> also worked at poultry farms, and around twice as many had close 
> contacts that worked on poultry farms (17%).  They have known from Texas 
> with the first poultry flock to go down with the Dairy virus that humans 
> likely took the virus onto the poultry farm.  They tried to blame 
> equipment because the virus is not infective off skin and clothing for 
> more than half an hour, but can remain infective on a solid surface for 
> 24 hours.  An infected person shedding virus is obviously the bests 
> means to infect the poultry flock and other dairy herds that did not get 
> infected cattle.  They already had an example of an infected dairy 
> worker shedding virus in Texas, so it seemed obvious that infected 
> humans were taking the virus to poultry farms by the time all the flocks 
> in Michigan began to go down, but the USDA and CDC have been in willful 
> denial mode.
> 
> Infected humans have been transferring the virus to Dairy herds in 
> states that did not get cattle, and have been infecting poultry flocks 
> with the dairy virus.  The work determining how many dairy workers have 
> been infected has never been done at this time, but everyone knows that 
> more than 4 is not just likely but a given.  Only 61 dairy workers have 
> been tested of those 61 the CDC admits that over half were not tested 
> correctly (only nasal swabs when most of the positive cases have been 
> negative for nasal swabs but positive for eye swabs).  There has been no 
> attempt to identify all the infected herds in order to limit the 
> infection and human contacts.
> 
> The willful stupidity is likely politically driven.  Instead of trying 
> to prevent the next pandemic the CDC has decided to monitor all states 
> for influenza activity, and if there is an increase in influenza cases 
> they will act.  This is so tragically lame.  Instead of prevent the 
> virus from evolving into a pandemic virus they will try to contain the 
> issue after it becomes an issue in the human population.  Colorado 
> demonstrates how stupid this strategy is.  The dairy worker infected in 
> Colorado had respiratory symptoms.  The poultry workers had eye 
> infections, but some of them also had respiratory symptoms.  The virus 
> can obviously infect humans whether it comes from cows or birds, and in 
> Colorado it is becoming a respiratory infection.  They need to identify 
> all the infected herds and now poultry flocks in Colorado and quarantine 
> the herds and farm workers.
> 
> The more herds infected the more humans will be infected, the more 
> chance that the virus will evolve into a pandemic virus.  Willful 
> stupidity should not be allowed to continue.
> 
> Ron Okimoto

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/15/health/colorado-bird-flu-humans-confirmed/index.html

Two more Colorado poultry workers from the same farm have tested 
positive for H5N1 dairy influenza.  All 5 of the infected poultry 
workers came from the same farm and were working with the same infected 
birds.  This likely should tell everyone how many dairy workers have 
likely been infected since dairy cows shed virus for over 4 weeks, and 
these workers were likely only exposed for a few days cleaning out the 
infected flock.  They do not say how many had respiratory symptoms, but 
the state that some did.  The Colorado virus may have mutated to better 
infect humans, but still produces mild symptoms.  The CDC is waiting for 
sequencing results to tell them how bad the situation may be.

These poultry workers could have infected other flocks and herds if they 
worked on other farms, but the CDC isn't doing any contact tracing.

Ron Okimoto