Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Hibou Newsgroups: sci.lang,alt.usage.english Subject: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ... Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 08:16:56 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: <895daj58pqdi5h1dfrfrhqj660j5eps9h4@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 09:16:57 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="951e3d7bb09a34176ebfc8130a9352f8"; logging-data="415357"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19C7bfiQKsMY6rR9sxNs7UV" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:y/+CoMM55ZNReTKrXgeU/HgJ+j8= Content-Language: en-GB In-Reply-To: <895daj58pqdi5h1dfrfrhqj660j5eps9h4@4ax.com> Bytes: 3202 Le 28/07/2024 à 20:10, Rich Ulrich a écrit : > On Sun, 28 Jul 2024 14:57:29 +0100, Hibou wrote: >> >> Yes, I don't think it's peculiar to Asperger's or autism. People often >> adopt positions without exploring them thoroughly, commit themselves, >> and then feel obliged to defend that commitment, even when it turns out >> they're wrong. >> >> It's not easy to admit one is wrong, but it has its advantages. It >> brings discussion to a halt, instead of prolonging it embarrassingly, >> and one gains Brownie points for valuing the truth. > > Consider this combination: Asserting something that is not true > is LYING. LYING is very bad, like, a bad sin. So one is careful > in what one asserts. And one does not want to admit to the > sin of being wrong. This creates a certain internal conflict, > because there is also the notion that a 'sin' should be something > that was intentional; and the original mis-statement is not > something that one regrets. In Usenet forums, I don't think deliberate lying is much of a problem, but people are often mistaken. It's hard to admit that one is in error; it throws doubt on one's ability. Also, our beliefs are part of who we are; to let one go is to lose part of oneself. > Bill (stats-resident Aspie) would justify his (very rare) backing > down by asserting that there are two different 'cases' and he > was thinking of the other (and more important, somehow) one. Well, numerous authors - Overstreet and Carnegie, for instance - have written of how reluctant people are to change their minds - and not just autistic people. I expect all salesmen can tell tales about that (Dale Carnegie was one, of course).