Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) Newsgroups: sci.lang,alt.usage.english Subject: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ... Date: 26 Jul 2024 12:45:19 GMT Organization: Stefan Ram Lines: 63 Expires: 1 Jul 2025 11:59:58 GMT Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de fVfd4Ux26uAU8tXzn+bdFw5224z5lEbNAjtcTFPQMKJ4Da Cancel-Lock: sha1:eV2jdG+vXzgRLVpQhit7dq+807o= sha256:/ZHSwkFMhxoPnlpdb9BdmNN+0/yKvf9NNUqyPrePn28= X-Copyright: (C) Copyright 2024 Stefan Ram. All rights reserved. Distribution through any means other than regular usenet channels is forbidden. It is forbidden to publish this article in the Web, to change URIs of this article into links, and to transfer the body without this notice, but quotations of parts in other Usenet posts are allowed. X-No-Archive: Yes Archive: no X-No-Archive-Readme: "X-No-Archive" is set, because this prevents some services to mirror the article in the web. But the article may be kept on a Usenet archive server with only NNTP access. X-No-Html: yes Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 4798 ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote or quoted: >I once jotted down something like >ˈɹʷʊˑuɿ ᵊɹ̩ >and this guy was like, "I don't think that 'u' is stressed!". |>>»law and order« /ˈlσːəndˈσːɹdəɹ/ [ˈlɔˑʚɻən(d)ˈσƍdʌ]. |In the phonetic transcription, indicating two syllables |before the intrusive r is completely wrong '----------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter T. Daniels on 2018-01-07 15:39:25+00:00 in alt.usage.english, Subject: Wisconsin accent? Dude's totally not grokking the [ɔˑʚ] sitch. He's barking up the wrong tree, thinking there are two syllables supposed to be before that sneaky R. Newsflash: it's actually a diphthong deal, with the front end dragging its feet a bit! Then he's got the cojones to throw shade at Luciano Canepari (see below). But get this - our boy Peter once dropped this nugget: |Came out fine on my screen. Yes, of all the variants listed there, that's |the one that seems most apt. Unfortunately it takes a diacritic and |another diacritic, where it ought to be a unit symbol like the others. '----------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter T. Daniels on 2014-04-16 04:22:49+00:00 in alt.usage.english, Subject: Eggcorns and self referential sets That's exactly Canepari's M.O. - swapping out those fancy-pants diacritics for plain Jane characters. Now, circle back and peep that OG quote from the top, but this time, it's the director's cut. No edits, baby. |On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 3:03:50 AM UTC-5, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote: |> On 2018-01-07 04:41:06 +0000, Stefan Ram said: |> |> > Will Parsons writes: |> >> Upstate New York? Really? Are you sure they didn't originally come |> >> from the Midwest? |> > |> > Canepari says that the typical New-York accent is |> > non-rhotic, and "thus" has linking r and is prone to |> > intrusive r practice. As an example he gives: |> > »law and order« /ˈlσːəndˈσːɹdəɹ/ [ˈlɔˑʚɻən(d)ˈσƍdʌ]. |> |> That may have been true once, but, if I remember rightly, the late |> lamented Larry Traske, who grew up in rural New York, said that it was |> in the process of disappearing during his childhood: he said that he |> himself spoke the old way, but his younger brother didn't. | |Who? | |What does "rural New York" mean? As was discussed just yesterday, New York State comprises three |very distinct dialect areas: New York City (with Long Island), Hudson Valley, and Midwest. |There are no "rural" areas with New York City dialect. | |Canepari's notation is idiosyncratic, to say the least, but the "phonemic" transcription is anything |but -- long vowels do not occur in closed syllables. PHONEMICALLY. In the phonetic transcription, |indicating two syllables before the intrusive r is completely wrong, and the (d) is highly unlikely |to say the least. '----------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter T. Daniels on 2018-01-07 15:39:25+00:00 in alt.usage.english, Subject: Wisconsin accent?