Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: sci.logic Subject: Re: Analytic Expressions of language not linked to their semantic meaning are simply untrue Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2024 07:04:23 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 68 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2024 14:04:23 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="903796c801119a1f2fd86200a8e93bf1"; logging-data="56329"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+MkfsEsfGv10JicAbd8HAc" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:G3ZHF0EXcsBoJXkiYkvS90kx974= In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 4139 On 8/4/2024 2:23 AM, Mikko wrote: > On 2024-08-03 13:44:25 +0000, olcott said: > >> On 8/3/2024 4:50 AM, Mikko wrote: >>> On 2024-08-02 12:19:31 +0000, olcott said: >>> >>>> On 8/2/2024 1:43 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>> On 2024-07-31 14:46:17 +0000, olcott said: >>>>> >>>>>> On 7/31/2024 3:03 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>> On 2024-07-30 13:40:55 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 7/30/2024 2:33 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 2024-07-29 00:44:41 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The truth about every expression of language that can be known >>>>>>>>>> to be true on the basis of its meaning expressed in language is >>>>>>>>>> that a lack of connection simply means untrue. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Does that really mean something? If the significance of the >>>>>>>>> lack of >>>>>>>>> connection is restricted to sentences where the connection exists >>>>>>>>> then it seems that you are talking about nothing. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://plato.stanford.edu/Entries/analytic-synthetic/ >>>>>>>> I had to redefine the analytic side of the analytic/synthetic >>>>>>>> distinction because Quine convinced most everyone that this >>>>>>>> distinction does not exist. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You cannot redefine side wihout redefining the other side and the >>>>>>> distinction itself. Is your redefinition equivalent to the one >>>>>>> at https://plato.stanford.edu/Entries/analytic-synthetic/ or did >>>>>>> you find out that that distincition is not the one that exists? >>>>>> >>>>>> Quine got totally confused by synonymity. He never understood >>>>>> that the term {Bachelor} was defined in terms of >>>>>> (~Married + Adult + Male). >>>>> >>>>> It is not a good idea to lie about other people. >>>>> >>>>> When reqding Quine, you should ask yourself why your presentation >>>>> is much less convincing than Quine's. >>>> >>>> Try and show the details of how I am incorrect. >>> >>> What you said (quoted above) about Quine is insulting and unjustified, >>> which alone is wrong. >> >> The bottom line here is that every objection that he could >> have possibly made is addressed by this augmentation to >> the definition of {analytic truth} >> >> *Original definition* of {Analytic truth} >> Every expression of (formal or natural language) that is >> true on the basis of its meaning... > > So what is wrong with Quines opinion that the truth of "A bachelor > is not married" comes from the meaning of the words? > If he said that then he would be saying that he has no objection to the {Analytic/Synthetic} distinction. He is famous for having an objection to this. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer