Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: Replacement of Cardinality Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2024 20:12:19 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 27 Message-ID: <v8oga3$5f3b$3@dont-email.me> References: <hsRF8g6ZiIZRPFaWbZaL2jR1IiU@jntp> <-qUZ96ARwcjh9QPfyWRnijjNwoY@jntp> <6b837540-3d9a-4b8e-9a70-88d52e81a1a4@att.net> <xQQT0K_Q_k2FbMcCUXF8j3CEg84@jntp> <9822f5da-d61e-44ba-9d70-2850da971b42@att.net> <p36L63dXamDAkHDhkZhDKqx-h-o@jntp> <d8bbe664-a601-4590-9a7f-d5312b4dae54@att.net> <v8j55c$2u09m$2@dont-email.me> <w2KNEc6WpgYmvVtoH_VZTRkLnUg@jntp> <c7939c87f06ef7dfe1ad490a68bf3e01a5165df8@i2pn2.org> <gLCi-GDsUAMOhKbDU9ubzvZPuAc@jntp> <60b4e96f-8711-455b-b8ed-755abf3ad543@att.net> Reply-To: invalid@example.invalid MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2024 20:12:20 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="cfebb951f28978ec9d7d0a1447cf5818"; logging-data="179307"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/SO8ViHvHD5KtWNNkqi2VO" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:LJUW8NbtCLelnAK7OWYppCKspvw= Content-Language: de-DE In-Reply-To: <60b4e96f-8711-455b-b8ed-755abf3ad543@att.net> Bytes: 2231 Am 04.08.2024 um 19:59 schrieb Jim Burns: > On 8/4/2024 11:44 AM, WM wrote: >> Le 03/08/2024 à 19:42, joes a écrit : > >>> [...] >> >> The reversed quantification is nonsense > > ...because from ∀x∃u to ∃u∀x is unreliable. > > From ∃u∀x to ∀x∃u is reliable. > From ∃u∃x to ∃x∃u is reliable. > From ∀u∀x to ∀x∀u is reliable. > However, > from ∀x∃u to ∃u∀x is unreliable. > > In some cases, > from ∀x∃u to ∃u∀x is not.only.unreliable, > it is incorrect. Example (referring to FOPL= only): ∀x∃u x = u (true) ∃u∀x x = u (false) for any universe of discourse with more than one "entity" (object).