Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is Correctly rejected as non-halting V2 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2024 10:52:34 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <97e0632d0d889d141bdc6005ce6e513c53867798@i2pn2.org> <091e8b7baeea467ee894b1c79c8943cb9773adb7@i2pn2.org> <16ac79611a441e7e01119631051f69119eee958a@i2pn2.org> <23cb2d2401b87bf4f6a604aa1a78b93ffc9a29bc@i2pn2.org> <3fc6548531f91ed14a27420caf9679a634573ed0@i2pn2.org> <8a6e6d9ff49aabe2525ce5729a439c807de4768a@i2pn2.org> <34Ocnd4voeWlDAn7nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> <056325e336f81a50f4fb9e60f90934eaac823d22@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2024 17:52:35 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="13997779445f04dacae82f025877e637"; logging-data="798637"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX181DI6lw7VBarLMare6L8KP" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:wY6QiVDDFJ3QrSyZLhJXeo3VIg8= In-Reply-To: <056325e336f81a50f4fb9e60f90934eaac823d22@i2pn2.org> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3147 On 7/15/2024 9:04 AM, joes wrote: > Am Mon, 15 Jul 2024 07:23:57 -0500 schrieb olcott: >> On 7/15/2024 3:59 AM, joes wrote: >>> Am Sun, 14 Jul 2024 22:35:03 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>>> On 7/14/2024 10:02 PM, Mike Terry wrote: > >>>> Any input that must be aborted to prevent the non termination of >>>> simulating termination analyzer HHH necessarily specifies non-halting >>>> behavior or it would never need to be aborted. >>> It's just that the input HHH halts and does not need to be aborted. >> At the point that it is aborted it did need to be aborted > Because it hadn't halted yet? Because HHH has seen a repeating state that proves that DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly ever stop running unless aborted. That you fail to understand a that there is a repeating state or fail to understand that a repeating state proves this is less than no rebuttal at all. > Why should it have halted, it will do so > in the future. Do you place arbitrary lifetime limits on all programs? > -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer