Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!usenet-fr.net!pasdenom.info!from-devjntp Message-ID: JNTP-Route: news2.nemoweb.net JNTP-DataType: Article Subject: Re: "Time" vs "physical time" References: <17e914f508c7a9cf$96455$546728$c2565adb@news.newsdemon.com> Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity JNTP-HashClient: pFoh0Y4jPybu1aneei8suR2WKNw JNTP-ThreadID: 17e914f508c7a9cf$96455$546728$c2565adb@news.newsdemon.com JNTP-Uri: http://news2.nemoweb.net/?DataID=dwvnP-SoKZPwHpz6HgPhxwtG7e4@jntp User-Agent: Nemo/0.999a JNTP-OriginServer: news2.nemoweb.net Date: Tue, 06 Aug 24 09:15:14 +0000 Organization: Nemoweb JNTP-Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/127.0.0.0 Safari/537.36 Injection-Info: news2.nemoweb.net; posting-host="e8cbf2474b472b9bb79db3dccb6a856bc1d05409"; logging-data="2024-08-06T09:15:14Z/8977386"; posting-account="4@news2.nemoweb.net"; mail-complaints-to="julien.arlandis@gmail.com" JNTP-ProtocolVersion: 0.21.1 JNTP-Server: PhpNemoServer/0.94.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-JNTP-JsonNewsGateway: 0.96 From: Richard Hachel Bytes: 2974 Lines: 35 Le 06/08/2024 à 10:02, Maciej Wozniak a écrit : > When a real person in the real world > says "time" - he/she doesn't refer > to your mystical crap at all. The > word usually means one of zone times > or UTC; TAI is referred rarely, but it > is still important. NONE of them is > observer dependent. > > That's why The Shit is opposed so > fiercely by "laymen". Whet they > refer as "time" simply doesn't > have those absurd properties invented > by your idiot guru for pseudotime he > liked. I don't understand what you're saying. Of course, solar time depends on the person's location on the globe, and on a solar clock, it's not the same time in Paris and in Amsterdam. But where I think you're making a mistake is when you think that we can adjust this with a universal clock, independent of the sun, and which would give a universal time. This conception is false, and any clock can only give a local time. If I take even Romeo and Juliet, sitting on two different benches, in the same schoolyard. They look at each other, they make little signs to each other. Suddenly Romeo sends a little beep on Juliet's cell phone. Human thought is formatted in such a way that the moment when Romeo beeps is the same for both speakers, that is to say that this moment is in a sort of "universal present", a "plan of universal present time". This vision of the world is completely false. But the prejudice is so ingrained that anyone who says otherwise will be massacred by the tribe of monkeys that constitute humanity, and who are incapable of peeing without disgorging the toilet bowl. R.H.