Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: key error in all the proofs --- Mike's correction Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2024 12:45:48 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: <0f8f134fe961ee00910cce1d7f05b632d7567c6c@i2pn2.org> <86c21e8a63450bf8b0c32f4f17ba0b503a914fe0@i2pn2.org> <2c853efb65c3d8e2d4ba1c484f7002c74c68d895@i2pn2.org> <64ddeeaa3a55a9e410de599bd8df53d3644ee5a3@i2pn2.org> <8318f5969aa3074e542747fe6ba2916d7f599bde@i2pn2.org> <2f8c1b0943d03743fe9894937092bc2832e0a029@i2pn2.org> <06ea0f3a1ff938643b3dfefdf62af15559593733@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2024 19:45:49 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="0b9b77ee625b8578b747fee4cc5a1452"; logging-data="549011"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+AeX7kmX1EposGzGtqaPlC" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:m7cTVxekS+ehOT+DOkZqZpZaXTs= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <06ea0f3a1ff938643b3dfefdf62af15559593733@i2pn2.org> Bytes: 3399 On 8/14/2024 11:31 AM, joes wrote: > Am Wed, 14 Aug 2024 08:42:33 -0500 schrieb olcott: >> On 8/14/2024 2:30 AM, Mikko wrote: >>> On 2024-08-13 13:30:08 +0000, olcott said: >>>> On 8/13/2024 6:23 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>> On 8/12/24 11:45 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> *DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly reach its* *own >>>>>> "return" instruction final halt state, thus never halts* >>>>>> >>>>> Which is only correct if HHH actuallly does a complete and correct >>>>> emulation, or the behavior DDD (but not the emulation of DDD by HHH) >>>>> will reach that return. >>>>> >>>> A complete emulation of a non-terminating input has always been a >>>> contradiction in terms. >>>> HHH correctly predicts that a correct and unlimited emulation of DDD >>>> by HHH cannot possibly reach its own "return" instruction final halt >>>> state. >>> >>> That is not a meaningful prediction because a complete and unlimited >>> emulation of DDD by HHH never happens. >>> >> A complete emulation is not required to correctly predict that a >> complete emulation would never halt. > What do we care about a complete simulation? HHH isn't doing one. > Please go read how Mike corrected you. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer