Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!reader5.news.weretis.net!news.solani.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Jan Panteltje Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: Instead scopes Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2024 16:06:11 GMT Message-ID: References: <4vtrcjpl9sp0lurrtf3ldcmhm58de156oo@4ax.com> <8f2tcj1832r0m6872hvp1fcrv8hsf3chsh@4ax.com> <8dv0djhj73b0ejudpkahnojgjk30i9rrbv@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2024 16:06:12 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: solani.org; logging-data="1959165"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@news.solani.org" User-Agent: NewsFleX-1.5.7.5 (Linux-5.15.32-v7l+) Cancel-Lock: sha1:hPrQg4GgKDZkcyOYPoUFOaC85qM= X-Newsreader-location: NewsFleX-1.5.7.5 (c) 'LIGHTSPEED' off line news reader for the Linux platform NewsFleX homepage: http://www.panteltje.nl/panteltje/newsflex/ and ftp download ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/linux/system/news/readers/ X-User-ID: eJwNysEBwCAIA8CVDBjEcVDM/iO09z56IO6awZgUtYHMzkSThvHa22rLb9PlIlaa4v/qV4PHI+sdVNi6M4kPPjMVDQ== Bytes: 5149 Lines: 86 On a sunny day (Thu, 29 Aug 2024 06:55:15 -0700) it happened john larkin wrote in <8dv0djhj73b0ejudpkahnojgjk30i9rrbv@4ax.com>: >On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 05:46:54 GMT, Jan Panteltje >wrote: > >>On a sunny day (Wed, 28 Aug 2024 09:32:58 -0700) it happened john larkin >> wrote in : >> >>>On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 15:21:00 -0000 (UTC), Sergey Kubushyn >>> wrote: >>> >>>>john larkin wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 04:28:02 -0000 (UTC), Sergey Kubushyn >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>john larkin wrote: >>>>>>> On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 14:55:32 -0400 (EDT), Martin Rid >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>john larkin Wrote in message:r >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 10:40:15 -0400 (EDT), Martin Rid wrote:>Anyone own the gds-1202b ?>>Any >>>>>>>>> good?>>$350 at tequipment>>CheersI haven't tried that one. We like the Rigols.I recently acquired a >>>>>>>>> Siglenthttps://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XZML6RD/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1and gave it to one >>>>>>>>> of my engineers. I'll ask him how he >>>>>>>>> likes it.It has an up-front DEFAULT button, which a digital scope needs to getyou out of nightmare states. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Other than the lack of software features, the 200mhz bw for 350 >>>>>>>> dollars is intriguing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Cheers >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It sounds pretty good to me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://siglentna.com/wp-content/uploads/dlm_uploads/2020/02/SDS1000X-E_DataSheet_DS0101E-E04C.pdf >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What's missing? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I like the 500 uV/div. >>>>>> >>>>>>If you want to save the last penny, maybe. But you can get way better scope >>>>>>for slightly more -- Rigol DHO800/DHO900. It is 12-bit, same 550uV/div, has >>>>>>all standard serial protocols decoding, very light and compact, can work >>>>>>from a battery with USB-C power connector, way better than that Siglent that >>>>>>feels like relic next to those DHOs. >>>>> >>>>> We use almost all Rigols at work. My slow bench scope is a 500 MHz >>>>> DS4034 (upgraded from 350 MHz) >>>>> >>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/ns08x686afbayjsw8c2ab/h?rlkey=iu4h89057t755pueg4ijnldbo&dl=0 >>>>> >>>>> and my fast scope is a Tek 11802 sampler. >>>> >>>>I also have one, 11801C. Couple of SD-24s, SD-20, and SD-22 heads :) >>> >>>At the original purchase price, adjusted for inflation, I must have >>>half a million dollars worth of sampling heads. >>> >>>The color grading and jitter measurement is great on the 11801C, but >>>the old B+W screens photograph better. >>> >>>I'll miss my 11802 when it eventually dies. >>> >>>The TDR is great. I'm going to give my new kids a lecture on >>>transmission lines, and I'll show them some TDR. >>> >>>It is apparently possible these days to get an EE degree and be >>>completely ignorant of transmission lines. Or even electricity. >> >>oops! >> >>Then what DO they know? > >How to type c++ C plush plush is a crime against humanity in my opinion C with linked list is all you need. But bit of asm is also a must, close to the hardware, to be able to use the on chip facilities the micros have. As to electrickety, I remember a lunch conversation between us technical people and one was talking about electrickety flowing from + towards - I aksked him how he though a radio tube worked... That guy was later sent far away to look after a small studio... He would not have coped in the media center were we were..