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From: Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi>
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Subject: Re: Anyone that disagrees with this is not telling the truth --- V5 --- Professor Sipser
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On 2024-08-28 12:46:42 +0000, olcott said:

> On 8/28/2024 7:34 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>> Op 28.aug.2024 om 14:07 schreef olcott:
>>> On 8/28/2024 4:00 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>> Op 27.aug.2024 om 15:32 schreef olcott:
>>>>> 
>>>>> <MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
>>>>>      If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D
>>>>>      until H correctly determines that its simulated D *would never*
>>>>>      *stop running unless aborted* then
>>>>> <MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
>>>>> 
>>>>> HHH is only required to correctly predict whether or not DDD
>>>>> *would never stop running unless aborted*
>>>> And since DDD is calling an HHH that is programmed to detect the 
>>>> 'special condition', so that it aborts and halts, DDD halts as well and
>>> 
>>> *THIS IS YOUR REASONING*
>>> If you are hungry and never eat you will remain hungry.
>>> You are hungry and eat becoming no longer hungry.
>>> *This proves that you never needed to eat*
>> 
>> No, apparently, your understanding of logic English is very poor.
> 
> HHH simulates DDD until it has inductive evidence that
> in the purely hypothetical case where a different HHH
> would never abort its emulation of DDD that DDD would
> never terminate normally.
> 
> If we don't do it this way then infinite loops always halt.

I would consider the infinite loops that always halt a more useful result.

-- 
Mikko