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From: Muttley@dastardlyhq.com
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Subject: Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2024 08:21:29 -0000 (UTC)
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On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 10:10:18 +0200
David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> boringly babbled:
>On 22/08/2024 09:42, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>> Yes, its ultimately subjective. The reasons I don't like it are that I can't
>> stand dynamic typing in supposed "proper" languages and the syntatically
>> meaningful whitespace nonsense they took from Occam really grinds my gears.
>> In my current job I'm forced to use it but I'd never do it out of choice.
>> 
>
>Dynamic typing has its advantages and disadvantages.  You do lose a lot 
>of human checking and static checking when you have dynamic typing, but 
>you gain flexibility.  Have you tried using type annotations in Python? 

No, i'll look into it, thanks.

>I am a big fan of clear and consistent layout and indentation, which is 
>forced on you by Python (and Occam), but I too prefer explicit blocking. 
>  It's harder to get things wrong with explicit blocking, and you are 

Indeed. You delete a bracket by mistake and it won't compile, end of. In
Python you can delete a spaces/tabs by mistake and if its at the end of the
block the thing could still run.

>never faced with space vs. tab conflicts causing semantic changes to the 
>code.

Yes, this is a royal PITA. I use tabs as in vim I can instantly change the
indentation using "set ts=". With spaces its fixed short of dicking about
with macros.

>> IMO its fine for small scripts up to maybe a few hundred lines. Beyond that
>> no.
>> 
>
>Oh, it's fine for /far/ bigger programs than that.  But it is excellent 

As you said, opinions may differ.