Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!feeds.news.ox.ac.uk!news.ox.ac.uk!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: Kestrel Clayton Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: Largest animal genome 91 billion base-pairs. Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2024 17:41:01 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 56 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="85266"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:988i5RynFRNc3Z2x6MF07IbbbW8= Return-Path: X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 06FB122986F; Thu, 22 Aug 2024 17:41:06 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D09C922978C for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2024 17:41:03 -0400 (EDT) id 58654872A8; Thu, 22 Aug 2024 17:41:04 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by mod-relay.zaccari.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2DA1C7FC26 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2024 17:41:04 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 mod-relay.zaccari.net 2DA1C7FC26 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1B0765F829 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2024 21:41:02 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/1B0765F829; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com id 9627ADC01A9; Thu, 22 Aug 2024 23:41:01 +0200 (CEST) X-Injection-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2024 23:41:01 +0200 (CEST) Content-Language: en-US X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX18460rFX82iUSYDhVuvuJl5lyiMDpNKlE6kpnsH4m4SESQ+PApiJS/H In-Reply-To: FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD,FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 5582 On 21-Aug-24 22:43, John Harshman wrote: > On 8/21/24 12:51 PM, RonO wrote: >> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-024-07830-1 >> >> paywalled, but Science news article: >> >> https://www.science.org/content/article/odd-fish-has-30-times-much- >> dna-humans-new-record-animals >> >> They have just identified the new largest animal genome, but unlike >> amphibians that duplicated their whole genomes over and over to create >> their large genomes this lobe-finned fish (a species of lungfish) >> enlarged it's genome by failing to regulate the multiplication of >> transposons.  It has a 91 billion  base-pair genome, but still only as >> many genes as related lobe-finned fish (lobe-finned fish gave rise to >> tetrapods).  It has roughly the same number of genes that humans have, >> but it's genome is 30 times larger.  Allowing transposons to run >> rampant has increased it's genome size with copies of transposons by >> about 3 billion base-pairs every 10 million years. >> >> Transposons are parasitic bits of DNA that can replicate and move from >> place to place in the genome.  Because of their parasitic nature they >> have been lumped into junk DNA, but they often do have functional >> genes, and take their own transcription regulatory sequences with them >> when the hop around the genome, so they have some function, but it >> isn't geared to helping out the host.  They just use the host cells to >> keep replicating more copies of themselves.  Jumping into genes causes >> genetic diseases and jumping around genes can cause differential >> regulation of the surrounding genes, so they cause insertion mutations >> that do affect the organism, but like other mutations, most of the >> mutations are benign, some of them are bad, and a few of them may do >> some interesting things.  At this time for this lungfish probably >> nearly all new transposition events are likely messing up existing >> transposon sequence.  About 90% of the genome seems to be transposon >> sequence at this time, but my guess is that most of the remaining 90% >> is just old transposon sequence that has been mutated to the extent >> that they can't recognize the fragments as once being transposons. >> >> Ron Okimoto >> > That's Lepidosiren paradoxa. It's been known for a long time that it has > a huge genome, and that the other lungfish also have huge genomes. In > fact, it appears that Protopterus aethyopicus has an even bigger one. So > no huge surprise here, just greater detail on *why* it has a huge genome. > > Check out the animal genome size database: http://www.genomesize.com/ > results.php?page=1 This is an interesting resource. Thank you very much! -- [The address listed is a spam trap. To reply, take off every zig.] Kestrel Clayton I used to have a Kipling quote here, but I'm not so fond of him any more.