Path: ...!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-4.nntp.ord.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2024 03:04:55 +0000 From: Rich Ulrich Newsgroups: sci.lang,alt.usage.english Subject: Re: Word of the day: ?Papoose? Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2024 23:04:55 -0400 Message-ID: <1laadj5da4ku1u9j188jg2n70qpvi7pfak@4ax.com> References: <87a5gsplpx.fsf@parhasard.net> <0t59dj589ukk3a8tlb4hemi1e8hsqneb5d@4ax.com> User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 48 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-9jNwaE7F3vHEiOJj+bQlNP/NBMbBrXbdVEDajCaE7e+iADanuT6Joe4og2Gus1+UibvuNdWxJ1JH43v!4eWYsRigjmzv7P9zmifTr35TaojSkp80DP2JABvTRNnVEHJq7VEP4kK9zNFk9UxM5i8SLXI= X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 2892 On Sun, 01 Sep 2024 15:39:20 -0400, Tony Cooper wrote: >On Sun, 01 Sep 2024 18:36:10 +0200, Steve Hayes > wrote: > >>On Sat, 31 Aug 2024 22:17:55 +0100, Janet wrote: >> >>>> Cradle boards and other child carriers used by Native Americans are known by >>>> various names. In Algonquin history, the term papoose is sometimes used to >>>> refer to a child carrier.? >>>> >>>> Given I am 43 and fairly well-read I can assert that it has basically no >>>> currency outside the US. >>> >>> The native-American "papoose" back-board child carrier >>>was known to me in early childhood (and probably every >>>other kid enthralled by "Cowboys and Indians". >>> >>> When we had children I rediscovered it all over again >>>thanks to Mothercare. We had a baby back carrier called a >>>papoose. >> >>So it seems that people within the US understand "papoose" as >>referring to a child, and outside the US it refers to a child holder? > > >Please...write "some people". > >If I see an (American) Indian with a baby in a carrier strapped to her >back, I would describe that as a woman with a papoose. > >However, if she removes the baby from the carrier and puts the baby on >a blanket on the ground, I would not say the baby is a "papoose". I thought that the baby would stay in the carrier when laid on the ground. I thought they followed the baby-handling tradition of keeping them bound up. I had not ever been challenged with an Indian baby on the loose, and someone looking for a word to describe them. From the earlier discussion, I conclude that only the bound baby is a papoose. -- Rich Ulrich