Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!feeds.news.ox.ac.uk!news.ox.ac.uk!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: RonO Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: Largest animal genome 91 billion base-pairs. Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2024 10:02:39 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 55 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: References: <86wmk5frz5.fsf@example.com> Reply-To: rokimoto557@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="53028"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:gtvclGWBQXBOGLiLS06WQ3milok= Return-Path: X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 1769B22986F; Wed, 04 Sep 2024 11:02:39 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECB9C22978C for ; Wed, 04 Sep 2024 11:02:36 -0400 (EDT) id 4AA715DC2C; Wed, 4 Sep 2024 15:02:45 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by mod-relay-1.kamens.us (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 289745DC26 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2024 15:02:45 +0000 (UTC) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 283705F867 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2024 15:02:41 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/283705F867; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com id BE3C8DC01A9; Wed, 4 Sep 2024 17:02:40 +0200 (CEST) X-Injection-Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2024 17:02:40 +0200 (CEST) Content-Language: en-US X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX19tjsy17sfbg81oERm2/DeEjERhtnhlvuM= In-Reply-To: <86wmk5frz5.fsf@example.com> FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD,FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,FREEMAIL_REPLYTO_END_DIGIT,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 5614 On 8/24/2024 5:58 PM, Richmond wrote: > RonO writes: > >> transposon sequence. About 90% of the genome seems to be transposon >> sequence at this time, but my guess is that most of the remaining 90% >> is just old transposon sequence that has been mutated to the extent > > If 90% is transposon, that only leaves 10%. Or do they mean 90% of the > remaining 10%? > > Anyway, do these parasitic bits of DNA speed up evolution by creating > more replication errors? > I missed this post. 90% of the genome can be identified as being transposon sequence. The remaining 10% (9 billion base-pairs) is an amount 3 times the size of the human genome. Most of that 10% is likely highly repetitive heterochromatic DNA or old transposon sequences that have accumulated so many mutations, insertions, and deletions that it can't be identified as once being transposon sequence. Only a small fraction of that 10% codes for genes, probably less than 0.1% of the total 91 billion base-pair genome. For most organisms transposons affect their evolution by the insertion and deletion mutations that they are associated with. Since they produce short bits of identical sequence along the chromosomes they have been associated with deletions involving recombination between two transposon sequence found as direct repeats (in the same orientation) and inversions caused by recombination between transposon sequences inverted in relation to each other. They often carry their own transcription regulatory sequences so they cause aberrant transcription where they insert. If they insert into a coding sequence then can knock out that gene. Insertion into introns has been known to alter exon splicing so that the coding sequences are no longer put together correctly. So they can regulate genes differently, knock out genes, and create new protein sequences by altered exon splicing. For this extreme example you have excessive energy demands placed on the organism to replicate all the parasitic DNA and it requires the same ratio of maintenance and support machinery (just think of all the extra histones needed to condense all that DNA into chromatin so that it fits into a nucleus. 3 billion base-pairs of DNA is about 1 meter in length, so this animal has to condense around 61 meters of DNA into each of it's cellular nuclei (2 times 91 billion base-pairs). It takes one ATP just to charge a nucleotide so that it can be added to a replicating strand, and much more energy to make the nucleotides, and support and maintenance proteins. You can see that having a genome 30 times larger than a human genome is a huge energy drain on the animal especially during embryogenesis and growing to adult body weight. The ENCODE project determined that transposons are responsible for a huge amount of spurious transcription. The energy wasted making parasitic RNA is probably many times greater than the cost of replicating the parasitic DNA. Ron Okimoto