Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!news.szaf.org!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: RonO Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: Phillip Johnson wiki Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2024 18:15:33 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 269 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: References: Reply-To: rokimoto557@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="16935"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:WX27D2UkiTbTmiLNxXvPN6LBXRw= Return-Path: X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 29C2222986F; Sat, 31 Aug 2024 19:15:35 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C06522978C for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2024 19:15:33 -0400 (EDT) id 4BFD7872AC; Sat, 31 Aug 2024 19:15:39 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by mod-relay.zaccari.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F05C57FC26 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2024 19:15:38 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 mod-relay.zaccari.net F05C57FC26 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7AECC5F836 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2024 23:15:35 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/7AECC5F836; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com id BAC16DC01A9; Sun, 1 Sep 2024 01:15:34 +0200 (CEST) X-Injection-Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2024 01:15:34 +0200 (CEST) Content-Language: en-US X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX18UG7+E8YwKDbNa5xYbYfVtzppNEM+aprU= In-Reply-To: FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD,FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,FREEMAIL_REPLYTO_END_DIGIT,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED,RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE,URIBL_BLOCKED,URIBL_SBL_A,URI_DOTEDU autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 * 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was * blocked. 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See * https://knowledge.validity.com/hc/en-us/articles/20961730681243 * for more information. * [95.217.65.142 listed in sa-trusted.bondedsender.org] * -0.0 T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE No description available. * 0.0 FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN 2nd level domains in From and * EnvelopeFrom freemail headers are different * 1.0 URI_DOTEDU Has .edu URI * 1.6 FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA Forged mail pretending to be from Mozilla * 1.2 NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED ADSP custom_med hit, and not from a mailing * list smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 19198 On 8/31/2024 3:36 PM, x wrote: > On 8/28/24 18:16, RonO wrote: >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phillip_E._Johnson >> >> Earlier this month I noted that someone had remove the Johnson >> capitulation quote from the Johnson wiki.  There seems to be no valid >> reason for removing the quote, and Athel claimed that he had emailed >> the editor that made the edit to see what was going on.  I guess >> nothing has come of the request. >> >> The quote actually brings closure to the entire wiki entry of which a >> major part is about Johnson's participation in the intelligent design >> creationist scam. >> >> There is absolutely no doubt that Phillip Johnson wanted ID taught in >> the public schools.  He had made it part of his Wedge strategy.  It >> was one of the 5 years goals listed in the Wedge document, but 20/20 >> hindsight indicates that Johnson never fully understood the science, >> and did not understand that the ID perps never had any legitimate ID >> science worth teaching in the public schools. >> >> The Phillip Johnson wiki has the claim that Johnson did not understand >> scientific reasoning "In 1993 the ASA's Perspectives on Science and >> Christian Faith published a review of Darwin on Trial by Nancey >> Murphy, an associate professor of Christian philosophy at Fuller >> Theological Seminary, who described Johnson's arguments as "dogmatic >> and unconvincing", primarily because "he does not adequately >> understand scientific reasoning.""  Johnson had been convinced by the >> other ID perps that the ID science existed, and could be taught in the >> public schools. >> >> Johnson got others involved in the ID scam.  Most notably then Senator >> Santorum.  Johnson supposedly wrote the draft of the IDiotic >> "amendment" to the no child left behind legislation that was submitted >> by Santorum and ended up in the appendix of that legislation.  Both >> Santorum and Johnson claimed that the inclusion of the "amendment" >> supported teaching intelligent design in the public schools. >> >> By 2002 most of the other ID perps at the Discovery Institute likely >> understood that they had nothing worth teaching as ID science in the >> public schools, so when Ohio hit the fan and the ID perps were invited >> to give their dog and pony show to the Ohio State School board the ID >> perps decided to start running a bait and switch scam where they would >> just use ID as bait, but only give the rubes an obfuscation and denial >> swtich scam that the ID perps would tell the creationist rubes had >> nothing to do with ID.  It does not look like the ID perps bothered to >> inform Santorum and Johnson of what they planned to do because both >> Johnson and Santorum came out in support of teaching ID in the public >> schools in Ohio before the bait and switch went down. >> >> Johnson put up the Santorum editorial on his ARN blog as the bait and >> switch was going down in Ohio.  There is no reason why Johnson would >> hang Santorum, out to dry like that if he knew that the bait and >> switch scam was going to start to go down, and no reason for Santorum >> to have written the opinion piece if he knew that the bait and switch >> was going down. >> >> https://www.arn.org/docs/ohio/washtimes_santorum031402.htm >> >> QUOTE: >> "I hate your opinions, but I would die to defend your right to express >> them." This famous quote by the 18th-century philosopher Voltaire >> applies to the debate currently raging in Ohio. The Board of Education >> is discussing whether to include alternate theories of evolution in the >> classroom. Some board members however, are opposed to Voltaire's defense >> of rational inquiry and intellectual tolerance. They are seeking to >> prohibit different theories other than Darwinism, from being taught to >> students. This threatens freedom of thought and academic excellence. >> >> Today, the Board of Education will discuss a proposal to insert >> "intelligent design" alongside evolution in the state's new teaching >> standards. >> END QUOTE: >> >> QUOTE: >> At the beginning of the year, President Bush signed into law the "No >> Child Left Behind" bill. The new law includes a science education >> provision where Congress states that "where topics are taught that may >> generate controversy (such as biological evolution), the curriculum >> should help students to understand the full range of scientific views >> that exist." If the Education Board of Ohio does not include intelligent >> design in the new teaching standards, many students will be denied a >> first-rate science education. Many will be left behind. >> >> Rick Santorum is a Republican member of the United States Senate from >> Pennsylvania. >> >> © 2002 News World Communications. All rights reserved. International >> copyright secured. >> File Date: 3.14.02 >> END QUOTE: >> >> So neither Santorum nor Johnson likely knew of the strategy shift for >> the ID scam.  After Ohio 2002 the ID perps only used the teach ID scam >> as bait, and never delivered any ID science to any creationist rubes >> that wanted to teach it. >> >> You could still download the teach ID scam booklet from a Discovery >> Institute web site when Dover hit the fan, but the bait and switch had >> gone down in every case for the previous 3 years after Ohio. >> >> https://web.archive.org/web/20040921022045/http://www.discovery.org/ >> scripts/viewDB/index.php?command=view&id=58 >> >> QUOTE: >> 9. Conclusion >>       Local school boards and state education officials are frequently >> pressured to avoid teaching the controversy regarding biological >> origins. Indeed, many groups, such as the National Academy of >> Sciences, go so far as to deny the existence of any genuine scientific ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========