Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Bill Sloman Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: yes! Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2024 15:21:55 +1000 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 74 Message-ID: References: <2ugqbjhvlh9vrlmqhciaubcf64dbooph0o@4ax.com> <06jvbjp36khao0m5ot65a1o1krricoasre@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2024 07:21:57 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="dbea66a1e64824cf7c607f7a80f6cae4"; logging-data="2900549"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19AD8ERMGupznOadG6rg4KIzapjtRew2vw=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:yBjEEI2upDLW/a58bUDdpjTlJz8= In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 240819-0, 19/8/2024), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Bytes: 4001 On 19/08/2024 3:26 am, john larkin wrote: > On Sun, 18 Aug 2024 15:33:38 +1000, Bill Sloman > wrote: > >> On 18/08/2024 2:31 am, john larkin wrote: >>> On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 12:14:51 -0400, "Edward Rawde" >>> wrote: >>> >>>> "john larkin" wrote in message news:dta1cj1f3pudq93ard2o2ve4dadero917e@4ax.com... >>>>> On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 06:26:27 GMT, Jan Panteltje >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On a sunny day (Fri, 16 Aug 2024 15:07:52 -0700) it happened john larkin >>>>>> wrote in <06jvbjp36khao0m5ot65a1o1krricoasre@4ax.com>: >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It's just code. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Not any more it isn't. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Those giant computer networks don't run code? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Your lack of understanding is a handicap. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Your lack of imagination ditto. >>>>>> >>>>>> Well, there is a bit of your lack of understanding >>>>> >>>>> So you understand how brains work? >>>> >>>> Why is it necessary to understand how brains work? >>>> >>>> I don't know much about AlphaGo. >>>> I doubt it can explain how it works. >>>> But it obviously does work. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Where are images stored, >>>> >>>> Who cares? >>>> Likely they are distributed throughout a brain in ways that it is not necessary for anyone or anything to understand. >>> >>> Ignorance is appealing. >> >> As you persistently remind us. >> >>> But electronic design - our topic here - benefits from both >>> imagination and understanding. >> >> Not that you've got much of either. >> >>> I find it helpful, when designing things, to have a working model of >>> how my brain works. >> >> It would be more helpful if you realised how badly your brain works. >> >>> What have you designed lately? Tell us about it. >> >> You first. You do seem to think that you design circuits, but you don't >> tell us about them in the kind of way that suggests that you actually >> designed them. > > https://www.amazon.com/Art-Electronics-x-Chapters/dp/1108499945 That's Horowitz and Hill's text-book, and while that may contain their discussion of the design of one of your circuits, it's not your discussion - more an after-the-fact rationalisation of what you ended up doing. Creationist see intelligent design in the way living beings happen to work, but that's all after-the-fact rationalisation too. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney