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From: joes <noreply@example.org>
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Subject: Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2024 11:09:03 -0000 (UTC)
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Am Wed, 03 Jul 2024 10:55:14 -0500 schrieb olcott:
> On 7/3/2024 10:52 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>> Op 03.jul.2024 om 15:24 schreef olcott:
>>> On 7/3/2024 3:42 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>> Op 03.jul.2024 om 05:55 schreef olcott:
>>>>> On 7/2/2024 10:50 PM, joes wrote:
>>>>>> Am Tue, 02 Jul 2024 14:46:38 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>> On 7/2/2024 2:17 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>> Op 02.jul.2024 om 21:00 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2024 1:42 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Op 02.jul.2024 om 14:22 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2024 3:22 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 02.jul.2024 om 03:25 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Every C programmer that knows what an x86 emulator is knows
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that when HHH emulates the machine language of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Infinite_Loop, Infinite_Recursion, and DDD that it must
>>>>>>>>>>>>> abort these emulations so that itself can terminate
>>>>>>>>>>>>> normally.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Whether or not it *must* abort is not very relevant.
>>>>>>>>>> Repeating the same thing that has already been proved to be
>>>>>>>>>> irrelevant does not bring the discussion any further. Sipser is
>>>>>>>>>> not relevant, because that is about a correct simulation.
>>>>>>>>>> Your simulation is not correct.
>>>>>>>>> DDD is correctly emulated by HHH which calls an emulated
>>>>>>>>> HHH(DDD) to repeat the process until aborted.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> HHH repeats the process twice and aborts too soon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> DDD is correctly emulated by any HHH that can exist which calls
>>>>>>> this emulated HHH(DDD) to repeat the process until aborted (which
>>>>>>> may be never).
>>>>>> Whatever HHH does, it does not run forever but aborts.
>>>>>>
>>>>> HHH halts on input DDD.
>>>>>
>>>>> DDD correctly simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt.
>>>>>
>>>> That would be an error of the simulator, because it aborts its own
>>>> simulation too soon, one cycle before the simulated HHH would return
>>>> and
>>> You dishonestly redefined the problem so that it has no correct
>>> answer.
>>
>> If you think that "What time is a three story building?" must have a
>> correct answer, you are wrong.
>> Similarly, if you think that HHH can simulate itself correctly, you are
>> wrong.
>> int H(ptr p, ptr i);
>> int main()
>> {
>> return H(main, 0);
>> }
>> You showed that H returns, but that the simulation thinks it does not
>> return.
>> DDD is making it unnecessarily complex, but has the same problem.
> main correctly emulated by H never stops running unless aborted.
As a matter of fact, H does abort it. It then returns to main,
which then stops running.
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Am Fri, 28 Jun 2024 16:52:17 -0500 schrieb olcott:
Objectively I am a genius.