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From: Zen Cycle
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Extensive article on Rivendell and Grant Petersen
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2024 14:59:19 -0400
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On 9/24/2024 2:17 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 9/24/2024 12:01 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>> On 9/24/2024 10:37 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 9/24/2024 5:48 AM, sms wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Even racers have now switched to disc brakes. There's a tiny weigh
>>>> penalty but that is offset by improved aerodynamics.
>>>
>>>
>>> All my bikes since about 1970 have always had caliper brakes. I
>>> continue to ride caliper brake bikes with no problems. I see no
>>> reason to change to something that's more complex.
>>>
>>> So can we do a poll? How many here no longer use any bikes except
>>> those with disc brakes? How many are still somehow surviving with
>>> (horrors!) caliper brakes?
>>
>> we get it frank, you don't like disc brakes, you think they're overly
>> complex for their purpose, and don't provide enough of an advantage
>> over rim brakes.
>>
>> That's fine for you, all reasonably valid rationalizations.
>>
>> Some people prefer discs for equally valid rationalizations: They
>> provide better braking power with equal if not better modulation, they
>> work better in the rain, snow/ice, and muck (none of which are
>> exclusive to off-road riding). That said, No one is going to agree
>> with your implication that they provide no benefit to anyone except
>> those pushing performance to the extremes. Disc brakes simply work
>> better - that you may not experience that in your riding style is
>> specific to you.
>>
>> Both my mountain bikes are disc. One came that way and the other I
>> converted. It's one of the best equipment decisions I've ever made.
>>
>> All of my road bikes are rim brakes. I haven't converted any of them
>> for a couple of very good reasons:
>> - I currently have 4 road bikes that I ride on a regular basis* and
>> seven wheelsets. I don't need another bike right now.
>> - I can mix and match wheels with bikes as necessary. Having one bike
>> with discs would limit that as well as needing to have a spare wheelset.
>>
>> As you point out, discs don't provide enough of an advantage on the
>> road for me to spend $10K on a new complete bike, plus a Spare
>> wheelset. Let's not forget the 'evolution' of wheel retention
>> technologies, further limiting compatibility. Disc brakes won't offer
>> a rider at my level enough of a performance advantage to justify the
>> expense.
>>
>> However, If I was in a situation where I wanted or needed a new bike,
>> I wouldn't hesitate to buy a decent racing machine with disc brakes.
>> They _do_ work better, and having ridden newer bikes with disc brakes,
>> I know I won't be disappointed with the decision.
>
> Having read that post twice, I can say: Thanks for a post that almost
> entirely agrees with my positions!
With a diametrically opposed attitude
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