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Failed to connect to MySQL: (1203) User howardkn already has more than 'max_user_connections' active connectionsPath: ...!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Zen Cycle Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Extensive article on Rivendell and Grant Petersen Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2024 14:59:19 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 62 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2024 20:59:20 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="1c5a1fec1051141dc3d6ab34330b69f8"; logging-data="3365471"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX185RssUvenS8EyaPRY8A3luYuhiLsCL/Bk=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:t2NiKCMPKala94cFwBAZFMQ86sw= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Bytes: 4358 On 9/24/2024 2:17 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: > On 9/24/2024 12:01 PM, Zen Cycle wrote: >> On 9/24/2024 10:37 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>> On 9/24/2024 5:48 AM, sms wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Even racers have now switched to disc brakes. There's a tiny weigh >>>> penalty but that is offset by improved aerodynamics. >>> >>> >>> All my bikes since about 1970 have always had caliper brakes. I >>> continue to ride caliper brake bikes with no problems. I see no >>> reason to change to something that's more complex. >>> >>> So can we do a poll? How many here no longer use any bikes except >>> those with disc brakes? How many are still somehow surviving with >>> (horrors!) caliper brakes? >> >> we get it frank, you don't like disc brakes, you think they're overly >> complex for their purpose, and don't provide enough of an advantage >> over rim brakes. >> >> That's fine for you, all reasonably valid rationalizations. >> >> Some people prefer discs for equally valid rationalizations: They >> provide better braking power with equal if not better modulation, they >> work better in the rain, snow/ice, and muck (none of which are >> exclusive to off-road riding). That said, No one is going to agree >> with your implication that they provide no benefit to anyone except >> those pushing performance to the extremes. Disc brakes simply work >> better - that you may not experience that in your riding style is >> specific to you. >> >> Both my mountain bikes are disc. One came that way and the other I >> converted. It's one of the best equipment decisions I've ever made. >> >> All of my road bikes are rim brakes. I haven't converted any of them >> for a couple of very good reasons: >> - I currently have 4 road bikes that I ride on a regular basis* and >> seven wheelsets. I don't need another bike right now. >> - I can mix and match wheels with bikes as necessary. Having one bike >> with discs would limit that as well as needing to have a spare wheelset. >> >> As you point out, discs don't provide enough of an advantage on the >> road for me to spend $10K on a new complete bike, plus a Spare >> wheelset. Let's not forget the 'evolution' of wheel retention >> technologies, further limiting compatibility. Disc brakes won't offer >> a rider at my level enough of a performance advantage to justify the >> expense. >> >> However, If I was in a situation where I  wanted or needed a new bike, >> I wouldn't hesitate to buy a decent racing machine with disc brakes. >> They _do_ work better, and having ridden newer bikes with disc brakes, >> I know I won't be disappointed with the decision. > > Having read that post twice, I can say: Thanks for a post that almost > entirely agrees with my positions! With a diametrically opposed attitude -- Add xx to reply