Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mad Hamish Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips,rec.arts.sf.written Subject: Re: Pearls Before Swine: Rat The Luddite Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2024 21:40:02 +1000 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 46 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: newsunspammelaws@iinet.unspamme.net.au MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2024 13:40:07 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="92523c771ced3bc1d0b62fc3714212e5"; logging-data="1663317"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX182lOf7qeqgzpHToCjOCQsJ" User-Agent: ForteAgent/7.20.32.1218 Cancel-Lock: sha1:jH+42flOUWzfFfufvTKDZog/l48= Bytes: 3218 On Tue, 6 Aug 2024 16:25:08 +1200, Your Name wrote: >On 2024-08-06 03:14:09 +0000, Bobbie Sellers said: >> On 7/7/24 05:38, Christian Weisgerber wrote: >>> On 2024-07-07, Your Name wrote: >>> >>>> LED bulbs are largely a scam for bulb makers to stuff more money into >>>> their pockets. >>> >>> Here's some realistic numbers: I replace a 40 W incandescent bulb >>> with a LED one. Aldi middle isle, 2 euros. Residental power is >>> about 0.40 euros/kWh here, so the bulb will have paid for itself once >>> it has saved 2/0.40 = 5 kWh. It produces the same illumination at >>> 1/10 of the power of the incandescent, so it saves 40 - 40/10 = 36 W. >>> 5000 Wh / 36 W = 140 h, so if used one hour each day, it will have >>> paid for itself in under five months. If it eventually dies after >>> 10,000 hours instead of a promised 30,000, so be it. >>> >>> You can plug in numbers that are applicable to your situation and >>> in your part of the world. >>> >> >> That is theoretical saving. Down at the Power Company the >> receipts are down due to power saving so to pay for maintenance >> and emergency repair service they must raise the price of your >> power. This is what happened in California at least in the >> San Francisco Bay Area and the Pacific Gas and Electric Company >> is now mainly a power distribution company and they are putting >> lines under ground now in sensitive areas which we are helping >> to pay for. As well as Battery Farms to save all the wind & solar >> power generated while the sun is shining and wind is blowing for >> those times we call night. >> And if stops some wild fires in sensitive areas >> then it will be worth the additional cost because the day >> after the sky turns red with smoke it comes down to where >> we must breath. >> >> bliss > >Yep. and none of that new greeny nonsense, including LED bulbs, are >actually any better for the environment than the old versions anyway. >So it's simply a waste of money "look good" promotional exercise. > No doubt you actualy have figures to prove that assertion is correct...