Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: V5 --- Professor Sipser --- Execution trace of simulating termination analyzer HHH on DDD input Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2024 15:08:05 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 39 Message-ID: References: <7a1c569a699e79bfa146affbbae3eac7b91cd263@i2pn2.org> <729cc551062c13875686d266a5453a488058e81c@i2pn2.org> <148bf4dd91f32379a6d81a621fb7ec3fc1e00db0@i2pn2.org> <5591ff08ed8f7b4bdf33813681e156b775efe0ec@i2pn2.org> <26fadbf7b8cb5f93dbe18bffeff6e959251f9892@i2pn2.org> <2c6dfb2e8cdafc17fd833599dfba3843f56a281a@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2024 22:08:05 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="9ef66ad74e187b44c1830ef5229db641"; logging-data="1607287"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/bTHMzwIBnCn6rya1+JyYU" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:xbQIFnhZiOa86xH6gc1z35CDe0c= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Bytes: 3813 On 8/24/2024 2:44 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: > Op 24.aug.2024 om 15:21 schreef olcott: >> On 8/24/2024 3:47 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>> Op 23.aug.2024 om 23:40 schreef olcott: >>>> On 8/23/2024 2:24 AM, joes wrote: >>>>> Am Thu, 22 Aug 2024 12:42:59 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>>> >>>>> Only IF it will in fact keep repeating, which is not the case. >>>> >>>> Only IF it *WOULD* in fact keep repeating, *which is the case* >>>> Only IF it *WOULD* in fact keep repeating, *which is the case* >>>> Only IF it *WOULD* in fact keep repeating, *which is the case* >>>> Only IF it *WOULD* in fact keep repeating, *which is the case* >> >>> It is the case only if you still cheat with the Root variable, which >>> makes that HHH processes a non-input, when it is requested to predict >>> the behaviour of the input. >> >> >>      If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D >>      until H correctly determines that its simulated D would never >>      stop running unless aborted then >> >>      H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D >>      specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations. >> >> >> The fact is that it *WOULD* in fact keep repeating, >> thus *IT DOES* get the correct answer. > > The fact is that it only happens because you make it so with cheating > with the Root variable. That THE DECISION IS CORRECT makes moot how the decision was made. If HHH simply took a wild guess HHH would still be correct. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer