Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Cryptoengineer Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written Subject: Re: Whoops! The Atlantic Makes Trump Look EPIC In Cover Intended as a Smear Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2024 15:44:11 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 72 Message-ID: References: <20240913a@crcomp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2024 21:44:12 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="cca6f0da4c0d70ea784b675aa0f372a2"; logging-data="4007397"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18XHMrBstxOUq0/XfqW+RlzFGlZG2wj8Do=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:1DrO3cd7HJLvw94H7oMhYo27VZM= In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 4327 On 9/25/2024 3:33 PM, Chris Buckley wrote: > On 2024-09-25, Cryptoengineer wrote: >> On 9/25/2024 8:58 AM, D wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Wed, 25 Sep 2024, Mike Van Pelt wrote: >>> >>>> In article , >>>> D  wrote: >>>>> Certainly in this group, anything that even remotely >>>>> contradicts the narrative of man made global warming is never >>>>> taken into account or ever discussed. >>>> >>>> My position remains the same -- whether or not CO2 increases >>>> cause global warming, to quote JEP, this is an uncontrolled >>>> experiment on our biosphere that we probably shouldn't be doing >>>> unless and until we know a lot more about what we're doing. >>>> >>>> But ... >>>> >>>> We are in a Catch 22.  Trying to run techological civilization >>>> on exclusively "sunny days when the wind is blowing" energy >>>> is impossible.  To the extent the attempt is compelled by force, >>>> the results will be collapse and millions of deaths wherever >>>> it is successfully compelled. >>> >>> This is true and something you never read about in the newspapers. You >>> only hear about how many die due to heat, and how high taxes must be to >>> save the planet. >>> >>> You never read about the millions dead due to cold (which outnumber >>> deaths due to heat) as well as what would happen if we were 100% solar >>> powered and many systems and services would collapse.\ >> >>> "millions dead due to cold (which outnumber deaths due to heat) >> >> Can you document this claim? >> >> I don't think you can. > > One very nice in depth scientific overview (cites 50+ journal articles) is > https://thebreakthrough.org/issues/energy/human-deaths-from-hot-and-cold-temperatures-and-implications-for-climate-change > From the summary there: > It has been estimated that about 5.1 million excess deaths per > year are associated with non-optimal temperatures. Of those, 4.6 > million are associated with colder than optimum temperatures, and > 0.5 million are associated with hotter than optimum temperatures. > ... > Deaths associated with non-optimal temperatures have been > decreasing over time as it has gotten warmer partly due to a > reduction in cold deaths. It has been estimated that warming from > 2000 to 2019 has resulted in a net decline in excess deaths > globally (a larger decrease in cold deaths than an increase in > heat deaths). > > Chris This is true, and I was wrong. After I posted, I decided to do what I should have done first, and check. I found this article, with similar data: https://ourworldindata.org/part-one-how-many-people-die-from-extreme-temperatures-and-how-could-this-change-in-the-future I tried to post a followup correction, but for some reason Agent wouldn't let me. I really try not to maintain a position after it is shown to be incorrect. pt