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On 8/23/2024 9:41 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 13:32:13 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 8/23/2024 11:37 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>> On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:04:46 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/23/2024 10:19 AM, Ted Heise wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 21 Aug 2024 15:37:33 -0500,
>>>>>      AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>     On 8/21/2024 2:31 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 21 Aug 2024 11:30:45 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Spoken like a man totally ignorant of music theory, how
>>>>>>>> difficult it can be and how useful it is when playing,
>>>>>>>> improvising or composing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <LOL> I doubt the lack of knowledge of music theory caused
>>>>>>> Willy Nelson, Peter Frampton, Paul Simon, John Lennon,
>>>>>>> McArtney, or George Harrison, any trouble...  Need I go on? I
>>>>>>> could fill the page with succesful musician/composers who
>>>>>>> never even heard the term "music theory."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Yes to all that but an equal number of counterexamples.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     There's no general rule; Formal training assists and enriches
>>>>>>     some performers/songwriters while others get along well on
>>>>>>     extreme diligence and independent study alone.  Once in a while
>>>>>>     there's even a 'natural', a.k.a., 'idiot savant' as an outlier.
>>>>>>     From musicians I've known, I'd say success correlates strongly
>>>>>>     to extreme diligence above all else.
>>>>>
>>>>> +1
>>>>>
>>>>> As someone who started college as a music major, I can confirm the
>>>>> two main categories of career are teaching and performing.  So far
>>>>> as classical music goes, making a career out of performing has a
>>>>> couple of options: toiling away at very low paying jobs or hitting
>>>>> the bigtime as a star.  Like professional athletics, great success
>>>>> alomost requires an extreme degree of dedication and effort--not
>>>>> to mention some luck,  It didn't take me too long to reaize I
>>>>> didn't want to spend half (or more) of every day practicing.  On
>>>>> top of that, I didn't really want to teach--so I made an informed
>>>>> decision to switch majors.
>>>>>
>>>>> FWIW, I had music theory in high school, and really enjoyed it.
>>>>> It definitely enhanced my musical abilities too.
>>>>
>>>> Music was one of the majors I considered on entering the university. I'm
>>>> glad I chose engineering. I'm deeply into music, I practice and/or play
>>>> daily (usually on more than one instrument), but I think it's much more
>>>> pleasant as an avocation. I wouldn't have liked a life where I was
>>>> constantly hustling to get performance gigs.
>>>>
>>>> I'm jealous that you got music theory in high school. Back then I played
>>>> clarinet, a single line melody instrument. Nobody thought I needed to
>>>> know anything but how to read melody. I've since spent long hours
>>>> pondering things like, say, the difference between Natural Minor and
>>>> Dorian Mode, and the effect on harmony and chord selections.
>>>
>>> Good grief. It's very easy to figure out what sounds good for those of
>>> us that play and sing by ear. Experimenting on the keyboard is a
>>> pleasant diversion. I often play it through earphones so as not to
>>> wake up my wife and neighbors in the middle of the night. Like I say
>>> in my book bios, I don't entertain any more.
>>
>> Something tells me it's a bit like this
>>
>> https://www.tiktok.com/@johnhughesmovies/video/7207089470225632555?lang=en
> 
> https://www.pdmusic.org/famous-musicians-who-cant-read-music/
> 20 Influential & Famous Musicians Who Couldn't Read Music
> Jimi Hendrix
> Eric Clapton
> Paul McCartney
> Elvis Presley
> Michael Jackson
> Stevie Wonder
>   Bob Dylan
> John Lennon
> Prince
> B.B. King
> Janis Joplin
> 
> see the reference site for the rest :-0

The inability to read sheet music doesn't indicate a lack of 
understanding of chord structures, timing/syncopation, etc., regardless 
of where or how you learned it