Path: ...!news.nobody.at!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: AMuzi Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: BOLO pervert cyclist Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2024 18:47:19 -0500 Organization: Yellow Jersey, Ltd. Lines: 191 Message-ID: References: <5sindjpqbq0lks6kn3but34lsisqsf0ooo@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2024 01:47:18 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="85418f4a36d432bbb24b8818bf5dc2dc"; logging-data="2225507"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+CvDb5ZJAgJ3EYnOu7U0Rt" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:kZVJ11AxIPFreqfhWzPZorhR+Sc= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Bytes: 8389 On 9/8/2024 6:19 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: > On 9/8/2024 5:20 PM, Roger Merriman wrote: >> Frank Krygowski wrote: >>> On 9/8/2024 11:25 AM, AMuzi wrote: >>>> On 9/7/2024 10:32 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>> On 9/7/2024 11:12 PM, John B. wrote: >>>>>> On Sat, 7 Sep 2024 22:47:51 -0400, Frank Krygowski >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 9/7/2024 9:03 PM, John B. wrote: >>>>>>>> On Sat, 7 Sep 2024 13:36:49 -0400, Frank Krygowski >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 9/7/2024 11:10 AM, AMuzi wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 9/7/2024 10:04 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Auto crash fatalities are a regrettable side >>>>>>>>>>> effect of the use >>>>>>>>>>> of cars >>>>>>>>>>> for transportation. And cars are so beneficial for >>>>>>>>>>> transportation that >>>>>>>>>>> American society would cease to function if cars >>>>>>>>>>> could not be used. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mass murders in schools are a regrettable side >>>>>>>>>>> effect of the >>>>>>>>>>> worship >>>>>>>>>>> of guns, especially AR-style rifles, the weapon >>>>>>>>>>> of choice for such >>>>>>>>>>> murders. And I'll note that you have _still_ >>>>>>>>>>> never managed to >>>>>>>>>>> state a >>>>>>>>>>> practical societal benefit of ARs in public >>>>>>>>>>> possession. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Unlike cars, if ARs could not be used, America >>>>>>>>>>> would be better >>>>>>>>>>> off by >>>>>>>>>>> far. Just the tax savings from not having to >>>>>>>>>>> "harden" public >>>>>>>>>>> schools >>>>>>>>>>> would be worth the change. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Or to summarize yet again: Benefits vs. >>>>>>>>>>> detriments, John! A concept >>>>>>>>>>> that absolutely baffles you! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> By that logic, are fatal car crashes by Ford >>>>>>>>>> Fiesta or Prius drivers >>>>>>>>>> less tragic than those by scary black pickups? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We could certainly talk about advantages vs. >>>>>>>>> disadvantages of huge >>>>>>>>> pickup trucks and other similar vehicles. Books >>>>>>>>> have been written on >>>>>>>>> that topic. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Like >>>>>>>> https://www.truckaddons.com/pros-and-cons-of-owning- >>>>>>>> a- pickup/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Notice I provide a reference, you don't. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://slate.com/business/2022/02/suvs-pickups- >>>>>>> heavy- huge-deadly- >>>>>>> dont-buy-em.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> or >>>>>>> https://reason.com/2024/02/02/why-are-pickup-trucks- >>>>>>> ridiculously- >>>>>>> huge-blame-government/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "... critics aren't entirely wrong to point out the >>>>>>> ill effects of >>>>>>> mega-truck proliferation—or the oddity of using a >>>>>>> 6,500- pound, >>>>>>> 22-foot-long vehicle mainly as a grocery-getter. >>>>>>> Pedestrian deaths have >>>>>>> reached 40-year highs and the Insurance Institute for >>>>>>> Highway Safety >>>>>>> research shows that as trucks and SUVs have gotten >>>>>>> taller and heavier, >>>>>>> they likewise have posed greater risks to those >>>>>>> outside the vehicle." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have no problem with compact pickup trucks, just as >>>>>>> I have no problem >>>>>>> with what were always considered normal and >>>>>>> legitimate hunting rifles. >>>>>>> But bloated, oversized modern pickup trucks are a >>>>>>> close parallel to >>>>>>> AR-style guns. They are bought mostly to raise the >>>>>>> owners' testosterone >>>>>>> level, by providing capabilities that are essentially >>>>>>> never needed. And >>>>>>> the detriments are externalities, imposed on others >>>>>>> who get none of the >>>>>>> minuscule benefits. >>>>>> >>>>>> I can't say for the U.S. but here pickups are used, >>>>>> many times for >>>>>> (probably) then they were intended to haul. >>>>>> https://www.hotcars.com/thailand-largest-pickup-truck- >>>>>> market-in-the- >>>>>> world/ >>>>>> And the article pretty well says that your two >>>>>> references just aren't >>>>>> true... at least here. >>>>>> https://duckduckgo.com/? >>>>>> q=thailand+pickup+trucks&iax=images&ia=images&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic1.hotcarsimages.com%2Fwordpress%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2023%2F01%2Fpthai3.jpg&t=lm >>>>>> The multitude of used of pickups here. There are even >>>>>> a few home made >>>>>> pickups shown. >>>>> >>>>> America is different. See https://www.thedrive.com/ >>>>> news/26907/you- >>>>> dont-need-a-full-size-pickup-truck-you-need- a-cowboy- >>>>> costume >>>>> >>>>> Among other points the author makes, "...a significant >>>>> portion of >>>>> truck owners never use their trucks for these >>>>> capabilities. According >>>>> to Edwards’ data, 75 percent of truck owners use their >>>>> truck for >>>>> towing one time a year or less (meaning, never). Nearly >>>>> 70 percent of >>>>> truck owners go off-road one time a year or less. And a >>>>> full 35 >>>>> percent of truck owners use their truck for hauling— >>>>> putting something >>>>> in the bed, its ostensible raison d’être—once a year or >>>>> less." >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Same argument applies to 95% of race bikes and probably >>>> half of all >>>> upper end bicycles. They are mostly sitting in garages >>>> as we speak. >>> >>> Correct, of course, but even the most avid rider's bike >>> is probably >>> sitting in his garage at any given moment. >>> >>> It would be more accurate to say that most race bikes are >>> never raced. >>> Which should be a strong clue that a race bike is >>> probably far from the >>> best choice for most bicyclists. >>> >>> But hey, they're fashionable! >>> >> I believe that’s been one of the trends for Endurance vs >> Race bikes ie just >> because a racer be that Pro or Amateur can hold such a >> position doesn’t >> mean mortals can! >> >> And likewise stuff like Gravel Bikes that can handle big >> road climbs or >> follow MTB’s down trails and generally have wide performance >> characteristics. >> >> This said I’d be surprised if high end bikes did sit in >> sheds unused, as in >> my experience folks who bother to buy such bikes do tend >> to be into the >> sport, ie not someone’s first adult bike which they buy >> but never use bar >> perhaps a few weekends in summer. ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========