Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Cursitor Doom Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2024 13:02:29 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 126 Message-ID: References: <0s9bej1bhklummnn5iduadn94uvvne5k26@4ax.com> <31kbejpg6dos3fdm81oq42a4rgcenu4lk1@4ax.com> <0naeej138o8cftms0eve74d89v7gn89525@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:02:29 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="af51e43769a98a4b1f8021a2ef45ac44"; logging-data="3008640"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18jyHU9VUNqg3AhVfiUakrrd05UXHe9rLg=" User-Agent: Pan/0.149 (Bellevue; 4c157ba) Cancel-Lock: sha1:NCXdkIeM2JYMqscbGMTdgzVJIww= Bytes: 6297 On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 18:06:21 -0700, john larkin wrote: > On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 23:48:32 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom > wrote: > >>On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 11:47:08 -0700, john larkin wrote: >> >>> On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 13:19:58 -0400, "Edward Rawde" >>> wrote: >>> >>>>"john larkin" wrote in message >>>>news:pc1eej9v5j8i25qm38l4jffodn7eb4c2f6@4ax.com... >>>>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 23:28:40 -0400, "Edward Rawde" >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>"john larkin" wrote in message >>>>>>news:kaicejdhq0cudpivno5qmtes8al3tu8hje@4ax.com... >>>>>>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 17:04:32 -0400, "Edward Rawde" >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>"john larkin" wrote in message >>>>>>>>news:31kbejpg6dos3fdm81oq42a4rgcenu4lk1@4ax.com... >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 19:36:35 +0200, Jeroen Belleman >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On 9/14/24 17:13, john larkin wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://scitechdaily.com/groundbreaking-study-affirms-quantum- >>basis-for-consciousness-a-paradigm-shift-in-understanding-human-nature/ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Interesting way to define consciousness, the thing that goes >>>>>>>>>>> away when an a general anesthetic is applied. That can be >>>>>>>>>>> quantified. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>I paraphrase: "Since we don't know how it works, it must be >>>>>>>>>>quantum". >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Or, more conventionally, "It can't be quantum because QM only >>>>>>>>> works at liquid helium temperatures." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>That's it then: Quantum-something is merely religion. The god of >>>>>>>>>>the gaps. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>There's a lot of quantum nonsense about. This is just one >>>>>>>>>>example. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Well, explain how we can name one image out of maybe a million >>>>>>>>> stored images, in a fraction of a second. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>In a way which is similar to the way this does it. >>>>>>>>https://www.google.com/search?&q=eiffel+tower&udm=2 Just in >>>>>>>>reverse. >>>>>>>>So choose any of the above images and save it. >>>>>>>>Now go here https://images.google.com/ >>>>>>>>And upload the image and see how long it takes for the words >>>>>>>>"eiffel tower" to appear. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Also it's possible you might not know the correct spelling. >>>>>>>>https://www.google.com/search?&q=ifle+tower&udm=2 >>>>>> >>>>>>Does the lack of response here mean that you agree that I provided a >>>>>>valid explanation of how "we can name one image out of maybe a >>>>>>million stored images, in a fraction of a second." ? >>>>>> >>>>>>No-one is suggesting that Google does it exactly the same way the >>>>>>human brain does but you asked for an explanation of how it is >>>>>>possible. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Face and voice recognition are similarly amazing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>But it is becoming much easier to do them without a human brain as >>>>>>>>time goes by. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Of course, the machines and the code that do google's image >>>>>>> matching were designed by people. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>You mean like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlphaGo_Zero is just >>>>>>code so all it can do is something like if {player makes this move} >>>>>>then {respond with that move} ? >>>>>> >>>>>>If you're going to stick with the idea that something designed >>>>>>people then what designed the thing which designed people and what >>>>>>designed the thing which designed the thing which designed people? >>>>>> >>>>>>What are you going to say when a thing designed by people becomes >>>>>>able to design electronic circuits better than you can? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> I check up now and then on FLUX.AI, just for fun. >>>> >>>>I've never used it. >>>>I have a general dislike of "sign up with Google" etc and pay a >>>>monthly subscription if you want anything worth using. >>>>My last interaction with schematic/pcb software a few weeks ago was >>>>getting some Protel99SE files into KiCad. >>>>That and simulating an LTC4267-3 circuit in LTSpice. >>> >>> One Flux concept is collaborative design, multiple people having >>> simultaneous access to a schematic or PCB or code. That's insane. >>> >>> >>> >>>>> A while back they were looking to hire a bunch of full-stack >>>>> software types and one hardware intern. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> I recently installed an addon to Firfefox that kills the Goggle >>> sign-in atrocity. My life is much improved. >> >>Yeah, I just love Google having all my passwords, it's so convenient >>(for them!) isn't it? >>Seriously - which add-on did you use for this? > > > Google Sign-in Popup Blocker. It's in the Firefox extensions set. Thanks!