Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: john larkin Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: another hint of quantum consciousness Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2024 20:03:06 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 72 Message-ID: References: <0s9bej1bhklummnn5iduadn94uvvne5k26@4ax.com> <31kbejpg6dos3fdm81oq42a4rgcenu4lk1@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2024 05:03:09 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="a9beb4691b7c19d365e0985530b98305"; logging-data="2039429"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19Oe1uT1SKAA+QdFBIURRD2" User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 Cancel-Lock: sha1:+i0Tw237gUIZ4HREkzD7M2wOVkg= Bytes: 3553 On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 19:39:20 -0700, john larkin wrote: >On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 21:18:44 +0200, Jeroen Belleman > wrote: > >>On 9/14/24 20:08, john larkin wrote: >>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 19:36:35 +0200, Jeroen Belleman >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On 9/14/24 17:13, john larkin wrote: >>>>> >>>>> https://scitechdaily.com/groundbreaking-study-affirms-quantum-basis-for-consciousness-a-paradigm-shift-in-understanding-human-nature/ >>>>> >>>>> Interesting way to define consciousness, the thing that goes away when >>>>> an a general anesthetic is applied. That can be quantified. >>>>> >>>> >>>> I paraphrase: "Since we don't know how it works, it must be quantum". >>> >>> Or, more conventionally, "It can't be quantum because QM only works at >>> liquid helium temperatures." >>> >>>> That's it then: Quantum-something is merely religion. The god of the >>>> gaps. >>>> >>>> There's a lot of quantum nonsense about. This is just one example. >>>> >>> >>> Well, explain how we can name one image out of maybe a million stored >>> images, in a fraction of a second. >>> >> >>Yes, that's the typical comeback of religious believers. > >I don't recall invoking religion here, or calling myself a believer. I >was asking about image storage and high-speed matching. It's even more >amazing when you consider all the optical distortions and viewing >angles and changes in illumination and motion effects in real life; we >don't match nice flat photos. > >How are our collections of images stored? > >When some people encounter an unwelcome idea, they call the people >that they disagree with bible bangers, and assume they have won the >argument. > > >> >>I don't know how it works. Let's find out. AI seems to be >>getting there, and it requires no quantum theory. Just loads >>of data and a lot of matrix math. > >You are determined to exclude the possibility that are brains use QM. > >Given that most all physics and chemistry is fundamentally quantum >mechanical, why would evolution refuse to allow cells to use quantum >effects? > >Most people don't really believe in evolution. > > >> >>Jeroen Belleman It would be pretty good packing, storing one bit of data per atom. https://interestingengineering.com/science/wobble-nucleus-of-atom-quantum-data or maybe more than one. Nice possibilities for quantum correlation, pattern matching, too.