Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Jeroen Belleman Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design,uk.d-i-y Subject: Re: OT: EV Charging Stations Stripped of Copper Cables Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2024 19:59:55 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 60 Message-ID: References: <6tht8j9kcaomraffha67s0ih4qeesl8hj6@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2024 19:57:29 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="25a4219cbe0f95ad708969f8124acd4d"; logging-data="2114062"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+VIZKNkb+vOEssuyiTCFjm" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.13.0 Cancel-Lock: sha1:3dwo5s6rBGQvxsTWlKcCFuhL5v0= In-Reply-To: <6tht8j9kcaomraffha67s0ih4qeesl8hj6@4ax.com> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3833 On 7/10/24 19:48, john larkin wrote: > On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 17:18:23 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom > wrote: > >> On Tue, 09 Jul 2024 06:52:49 -0700, john larkin wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 9 Jul 2024 09:24:30 -0000 (UTC), RJH >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On 9 Jul 2024 at 05:04:24 BST, Bill Sloman wrote: >>>> >>>>> From time to time I get to remind the qroup that I'm a democratic >>>>> socialist - while Communists are autocratic socialists, >>>>> and got slung out of the International Socialist movements in 1871, >>>>> when Karl Marx's silly ideas about "the leading role" of the party >>>>> were rejected. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Very kind of you! But a small point - the CP was, theoretically, a >>>> socialist bridge to communism. Nobody - especially Marx - know what >>>> communism would be in detail - simply that the process of revolutionary >>>> socialism would put an end to capitalism for the right reasons. >>>> >>>>> Mikhail Bakunin's famous quote dates from that period >>>>> >>>>> https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/801264-if-you-took-the-most-ardent- >> revolutionary-vested-him-in >>>> >>>> So history might suggest :-) >>> >>> In other words, power corrupts. >>> >>> Which means that governments are dynamically unstable, and a >>> long-term-democratic society is a remarkable thing. >>> >>> Why end "capitalism"? Economic and intellectual plualism works. >> >> So does a mixed economy of both private enterprise and publicly-owned >> bodies if the size of the state sector can be constrained. Unfortunately, >> states have a tendency to grow themselves if not kept in strict check and >> this is in large part responsible for the truly *vast* debt burden now >> carried on the back of so many Western countries. > > There's a race between government getting bigger and wasting ever more > resources, and technology making us more productive to support all > that waste. > > I was just talking to a fellow old fogey (who is literally a Fellow) > and we agree that young people are getting stupider, so the > productivity increase probably can't keep up. > > Yes, the debt will have consequences too. It keeps increasing and can > never be paid back. Economists keep getting stupider too. Traditionally, the solution for that problem has always been devaluation or rampant inflation, or both. Either way, it's a form of gross theft. Jeroen Belleman