Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!news.in-chemnitz.de!news.swapon.de!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Chris M. Thomasson" Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture designer? Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2024 12:07:16 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <21028ed32d20f0eea9a754fafdb64e45@www.novabbs.org> <20240918190027.00003e4e@yahoo.com> <920c561c4e39e91d3730b6aab103459b@www.novabbs.org> <%dAHO.54667$S9Vb.39628@fx45.iad> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2024 21:07:17 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="0029950ff4e92ba21a7d99fa35b943c5"; logging-data="2436749"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX180xwMreKtlonTtuZeJDyNxsKV8EYW8/lE=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:9VUi0YR0gHC0vOrI2R9k8f0Pu4w= In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 2630 On 9/22/2024 4:44 AM, jseigh wrote: > On 9/21/24 18:49, jseigh wrote: >> >> Well, we have asymmetric memory barriers now (membarrier() in linux) >> so we can get rid of memory barriers in some cases.  For hazard >> pointers which used to be a (load, store, mb, load) are now just >> a (load, store, load).  Much faster,  from 8.02 nsecs to 0.79 nsecs. >> So much so that other things which has heretofore been considered >> to add negligible overhead are not so much by comparison.  Which can >> be a little annoying because some like using those a lot. >> > > I should correct those timings slightly.  The measurements were for a > hazard pointer load, a dummy dependent load, and a hazard pointer clear. > If I measure w/o the dummy dependent load, the timings go from > 7.75 to 0.61 nsecs respectively. Think of an Alpha with its required mb for dependent load's?