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Failed to connect to MySQL: (1203) User howardkn already has more than 'max_user_connections' active connectionsPath: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Damon Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2024 18:44:36 -0400 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <7b6a00827bfcc84e99e19a0d0ae6028ebcdc263c@i2pn2.org> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2024 22:44:36 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="1952764"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="diqKR1lalukngNWEqoq9/uFtbkm5U+w3w6FQ0yesrXg"; User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Bytes: 4382 Lines: 87 On 7/2/24 3:46 PM, olcott wrote: > On 7/2/2024 2:17 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >> Op 02.jul.2024 om 21:00 schreef olcott: >>> On 7/2/2024 1:42 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>> Op 02.jul.2024 om 14:22 schreef olcott: >>>>> On 7/2/2024 3:22 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>>> Op 02.jul.2024 om 03:25 schreef olcott: >>>>>>> typedef void (*ptr)(); >>>>>>> int HHH(ptr P); >>>>>>> >>>>>>> void Infinite_Loop() >>>>>>> { >>>>>>>    HERE: goto HERE; >>>>>>> } >>>>>>> >>>>>>> void Infinite_Recursion() >>>>>>> { >>>>>>>    Infinite_Recursion(); >>>>>>> } >>>>>>> >>>>>>> void DDD() >>>>>>> { >>>>>>>    HHH(DDD); >>>>>>> } >>>>>>> >>>>>>> int main() >>>>>>> { >>>>>>>    HHH(Infinite_Loop); >>>>>>>    HHH(Infinite_Recursion); >>>>>>>    HHH(DDD); >>>>>>> } >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Every C programmer that knows what an x86 emulator is knows >>>>>>> that when HHH emulates the machine language of Infinite_Loop, >>>>>>> Infinite_Recursion, and DDD that it must abort these emulations >>>>>>> so that itself can terminate normally. >>>>>> >>>>>> Whether or not it *must* abort is not very relevant. >>>>> >>>>> This the problem that I am willing to discuss. >>>>> I am unwilling to discuss any other problem. >>>>> This does meet the Sipser approved criteria. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>      If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D >>>>>      until H correctly determines that its simulated D would never >>>>>      stop running unless aborted then >>>>> >>>>>      H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D >>>>>      specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Repeating the same thing that has already been proved to be >>>> irrelevant does not bring the discussion any further. >>>> Sipser is not relevant, because that is about a correct simulation. >>>> Your simulation is not correct. >>>> >>> >>> If you disagree with this you are either dishonest >>> or clueless I no longer care which one. >>> >>> _DDD() >>> [00002172] 55               push ebp      ; housekeeping >>> [00002173] 8bec             mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping >>> [00002175] 6872210000       push 00002172 ; push DDD >>> [0000217a] e853f4ffff       call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD) >>> [0000217f] 83c404           add esp,+04 >>> [00002182] 5d               pop ebp >>> [00002183] c3               ret >>> Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183] >>> >>> DDD is correctly emulated by HHH which calls an >>> emulated HHH(DDD) to repeat the process until aborted. >> >> >> HHH repeats the process twice and aborts too soon. > > You are freaking thinking too damn narrow minded. > DDD is correctly emulated by any HHH that can exist > which calls this emulated HHH(DDD) to repeat the process > until aborted (which may be never). > > Only if your definiton of "Correct" includes things that are not correct. Your problem is you just assume things to exist that don't, because you don't understand what Truth actually means.