Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (bertietaylor) Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: vis-viva and vis-motrix Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2024 21:57:11 +0000 Organization: novaBBS Message-ID: References: <485f4f6a9550c11ae74f6fc579ccf4ba@www.novabbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="3631851"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="jh4HcpQ+hhhSYfMNELHwaYsVz4DxLTJw0pxiKoD05d4"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$X0rTR3FMwMlWkH3Xlne1gePEhk7ofTRfJokWJ0pppYkWaLWabQMrq X-Rslight-Posting-User: cdf973c28ddff5d1d1235bf54e7ff9676b462801 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Bytes: 15243 Lines: 326 On Thu, 26 Sep 2024 20:34:52 +0000, Ross Finlayson wrote: > On 09/26/2024 04:23 AM, bertietaylor wrote: >> On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 2:58:17 +0000, Ross Finlayson wrote: >> >>> Does anybody even bother to think about vis-viva versus vis-motrix >>> anymore, with regards to conservation, momentum, inertia, and energy, >>> and potential and impulse energy? >>> >>> Is it usually considered at all that momentum and inertia change >>> places with respect to resistance to change of motion and rest >>> respectively sort of back and forth in the theory since antiquity? >>> >>> Several times? >> >> Check out Arindam's physics. >> Discuss in detail if you dare. > > And what does it say? https://groups.google.com/g/sci.physics/c/8HgH3sbRe94/m/M60qDJqmAQAJ The physics aphorisms of Arindam 1.1 While relativity is completely wrong, such cannot be said of quantum theory. 1.2 However it depends upon energy levels of the orbital electrons. It ignores the existence of aether. It is devoid of any geometric basis for electron movement. 1.3 Depending upon energy levels to begin with is perilous. Energy is for business and money-making - the physicist should be interested primarily about forces. And as force unlike power/energy is a vector quantity, and so has direction, the geometrical situation is of paramount importance. 1.4 Using quantum theory, reflection of light may be explained this way - an incoming packet of energy called a photon causes an electron to jump from a lower energy orbital shell to a higher energy orbital shell. This is unstable, so it jumps down from the higher energy orbital shell to the lower energy orbital shell. The difference in energy is emitted now as a photon. 1.5 In 1.4 above the implicit notion is that the electron orbits are circular. It is also implied that the photon must have some mass as it has energy following e=mcc, and this mass with movmentum mc has the energy to kick up the electron to the higher orbit shell. 1.6 Now let us consider the above phenomenon in terms of aether, forces and geometries. 1.7 Aether by definition is a very fine solid through which all protons and electrons and neutrons pass the way bullets may go through grass which does not break but just bends. The photon in the aetheric context is a small burst of radiant energy. It is a disturbance with no mass. 1.8 When this aetheric disturbance caused by the radiation reaches the electron and as it envelops the electron, it changes the orbit of the electron by displacement. 1.9 In the process of displacement the disturbance loses its energy as the force to displace the electron is lost with the movement of the electron. This is for the first quarter cycle of the wave - from zero to peak 1.10 As a result of the energy absorption the orbit of the electron is no longer circular but elliptical, and more "high energy" that way. 1.11 An electric field is created with the dipole effect caused by the elliptic orbit. There was no electric field before the disturbance; now there is; so there has been a change of electric field meaning that has to be a corresponding changing magnetic field. Which will creating another changing electric field and so on till we have a burst of radiation, equivalent to the photon. 1.12 The electron at the higher energy level or greater ellipticity can be returned to the original orbit shell with the next quarter of the wave, from peak to zero. Again, as per 1.11 there will be a electromagnetic wave formation completing the half cycle. 1.13 The electron in this case does not behave as a single orbiting particle but as a thin and elastic rubber band. 1.14 The idea of the electron not as a particle but as a rubber band is of crucial importance in our study of he nucleus of an atom. 2.1 Aether, a solid made of infinitely fine particles, fills the entire infinite universe. 2.2 The particles can vibrate, that is, oscillate about their mean positions. 2.3 The only force in the universe is electric as matter is made up of positive and negative charges. 2.4 When the electric field changes, it creates a changing magnetic field, which creates a changing electric field and so on. The changing electric fields vibrate the aether. 2.5 If the electric field loops as in a current, there is a steady magnetic field. 2.6 Matter is made up of negative charges called electrons and protons that are positive charges. 2.7 Under mutual attraction, they go through aether as a diver through a wave. When static, they let the wave push them this way and that. 2.8 Aether is a solid but its density cannot be found as aether fills everything including the space within the atom. 2.9 Only the density of protons and electrons can be estimated, for their mass and volume may be known from experiments. 2.10 Aether cannot affect the normal movement of the electrons and protons as they go through aether. There is no drag. 2.11 Aether bends to let electrons and protons squeeze through. No loss of momentum, thus, in the normal situation. 2.11 But with the applies electric field there is aetheric swaying from vibration about their mean positions according to the frequency of the changing electric field. This is what moves the electrons from their normal states. In this displacement of the electron the kinetic energy of the electromagnetic wave is absorbed. 2.12 Thus only when there is an electric field causing vibration to the aether there is momentum transfer to the electron. 2.13 Electrons are like rubber bands while protons may be spherical. 3.1 The aether particles are infinitely small by definition. 3.2 As they are infinitely small like points they have as you say no shape nor structure not volume. 3.3 Under the impact of electrical forces they vibrate and this vibration impacts upon the momentum of the electrons. 3.4 Thus the kinetic energy of the vibration transforms to the kinetic energy of the electron. 3.5 The reverse situation happens when the electron loses its kinetic energy. It creates the aetheric vibration. 3.6 This is understood it as water molecules going past a very thin set of wires forming a sieve. Only this time the water molecules stick to each other in their relative positions. 3.7 Aether particles bend aside to let the electrons and protons pass through them. 4.1 The definition of aether follows from a book referred to and quoted from in my 2005 post.' https://groups.google.com/d/msg/soc.culture.australian/wwQ4LkfM4bc/7uhLA2kLDfQJ 4.2 aether: a solid where infinitely fine, infinitely elastic particles filling the entire infinite universe including the inter-atomic spaces maintain their respective positions. It is the medium for the propagation of energy with electromagnetic waves. 4.3 The 19th century notions of aether are extended to explain the propagation of electromagnetic waves acting upon the electrons in matter; and how matter receives these waves and creates these waves. This is the field approach where forces with their directions are given primary importance. ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========