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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2024 18:03:26 -0500
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On 7/2/2024 5:44 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 7/2/24 3:46 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 7/2/2024 2:17 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>> Op 02.jul.2024 om 21:00 schreef olcott:
>>>> On 7/2/2024 1:42 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>> Op 02.jul.2024 om 14:22 schreef olcott:
>>>>>> On 7/2/2024 3:22 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>> Op 02.jul.2024 om 03:25 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>> typedef void (*ptr)();
>>>>>>>> int HHH(ptr P);
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> void Infinite_Loop()
>>>>>>>> {
>>>>>>>>    HERE: goto HERE;
>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> void Infinite_Recursion()
>>>>>>>> {
>>>>>>>>    Infinite_Recursion();
>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> void DDD()
>>>>>>>> {
>>>>>>>>    HHH(DDD);
>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> int main()
>>>>>>>> {
>>>>>>>>    HHH(Infinite_Loop);
>>>>>>>>    HHH(Infinite_Recursion);
>>>>>>>>    HHH(DDD);
>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Every C programmer that knows what an x86 emulator is knows
>>>>>>>> that when HHH emulates the machine language of Infinite_Loop,
>>>>>>>> Infinite_Recursion, and DDD that it must abort these emulations
>>>>>>>> so that itself can terminate normally.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Whether or not it *must* abort is not very relevant. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This <is> the problem that I am willing to discuss.
>>>>>> I am unwilling to discuss any other problem.
>>>>>> This does meet the Sipser approved criteria.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
>>>>>>      If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D
>>>>>>      until H correctly determines that its simulated D would never
>>>>>>      stop running unless aborted then
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D
>>>>>>      specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations.
>>>>>> </MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 
>>>>>> 10/13/2022>
>>>>>
>>>>> Repeating the same thing that has already been proved to be 
>>>>> irrelevant does not bring the discussion any further.
>>>>> Sipser is not relevant, because that is about a correct simulation. 
>>>>> Your simulation is not correct.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you disagree with this you are either dishonest
>>>> or clueless I no longer care which one.
>>>>
>>>> _DDD()
>>>> [00002172] 55               push ebp      ; housekeeping
>>>> [00002173] 8bec             mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
>>>> [00002175] 6872210000       push 00002172 ; push DDD
>>>> [0000217a] e853f4ffff       call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD)
>>>> [0000217f] 83c404           add esp,+04
>>>> [00002182] 5d               pop ebp
>>>> [00002183] c3               ret
>>>> Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183]
>>>>
>>>> DDD is correctly emulated by HHH which calls an
>>>> emulated HHH(DDD) to repeat the process until aborted.
>>>
>>>
>>> HHH repeats the process twice and aborts too soon. 
>>
>> You are freaking thinking too damn narrow minded.
>> DDD is correctly emulated by any HHH that can exist
>> which calls this emulated HHH(DDD) to repeat the process
>> until aborted (which may be never).
>>
>>
> 
> Only if your definiton of "Correct" includes things that are not correct.
> 
> Your problem is you just assume things to exist that don't, because you 
> don't understand what Truth actually means.

void DDD()
{
   HHH(DDD);
}

int main()
{
   HHH(DDD);
}

<MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
     If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D
     until H correctly determines that its simulated D would never
     stop running unless aborted then

     H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D
     specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations.
</MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>

*Professor Sipser would agree that HHH/DDD meets the above criteria*

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hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer