Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mikko Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2024 09:33:14 +0300 Organization: - Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <5c7fd202521f077fd21460b0d7f6a435f9396a62@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2024 08:33:15 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="c99e5e36c31ab706f5e25e20d2bee26b"; logging-data="3901820"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/S/r3LgEQDCZrPkEMl7MEc" User-Agent: Unison/2.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:DZegHWnD0ehDq8xJPq4RBFFv4vM= Bytes: 2541 On 2024-07-05 12:43:45 +0000, olcott said: > On 7/5/2024 7:26 AM, joes wrote: >> Am Fri, 05 Jul 2024 07:20:04 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>> On 7/5/2024 4:49 AM, joes wrote: >>>> Am Wed, 03 Jul 2024 13:57:40 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>>>> On 7/3/2024 1:40 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>>> Op 03.jul.2024 om 20:20 schreef olcott: >>>> >>>>>>> DDD correctly emulated by any element of the infinite set of every >>>>>>> pure function HHH cannot possibly reach its own ret instruction and >>>>>>> halt. That HHH aborts its emulation at some point or never aborts >>>>>>> its emulation cannot possibly change this. >>>>>>> >>>>>> Ad hominem attacks always try to hide a lack of argumentation. >>>>>> It has been proved that HHH cannot possibly correctly simulate >>>>>> itself. >>>>> >>>>> That is false and you know it. That might not be a flat out lie as it >>>>> is an sloppy use of language. >>>>> >>>>> HHH does correctly simulate itself simulating DDD one time, then it >>>>> stops correctly simulating itself because this criteria is met: >>>>> HHH correctly simulates its input DDD until HHH correctly >>>>> determines that its simulated DDD would never stop running >>>>> unless aborted >>>> But it would stop running. >>> Not if not aborted. >> But it is aborted! >> > > *It is not aborted when HHH makes its decision to abort* If it will be aborted in future it will not run forever. -- Mikko