Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mikko Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Richard seems to continue to blatantly lie -- I hope I am wrong about this Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2024 10:06:47 +0300 Organization: - Lines: 46 Message-ID: References: <5e6e8072022c865ced4b1a1de23b786bc05c22ce@i2pn2.org> <0354c808b6aa23146776ec5ad6eed3b66cab2713@i2pn2.org> <6020931f5638c63badea7d322cc5c555022c0f40@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2024 09:06:48 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="2cd9eca14ec5ad66c5912bcb5c796241"; logging-data="1915525"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19/fQTc/WXiHkBFGs2bw4Zz" User-Agent: Unison/2.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:hmZUKViakYVgZbZ2DvHswFx0a0s= Bytes: 3041 On 2024-07-09 14:31:17 +0000, olcott said: > On 7/9/2024 1:48 AM, Mikko wrote: >> On 2024-07-09 06:09:02 +0000, Barb Knox said: >> >>> On 04/07/2024 13:53, Richard Damon wrote: >>>> On 7/3/24 9:30 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>> On 7/3/2024 8:12 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>> On 7/3/24 8:36 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>> On 7/3/2024 6:18 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>> On 7/3/24 2:20 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>> _DDD() >>>>>>>>> [00002172] 55               push ebp      ; housekeeping >>>>>>>>> [00002173] 8bec             mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping >>>>>>>>> [00002175] 6872210000       push 00002172 ; push DDD >>>>>>>>> [0000217a] e853f4ffff       call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD) >>>>>>>>> [0000217f] 83c404           add esp,+04 >>>>>>>>> [00002182] 5d               pop ebp >>>>>>>>> [00002183] c3               ret >>> >>> [...] >>> >>> Can someone please explain to me why a discussion of the Halting >>> Problem is using Intel assembly laguage? >> >> For some people the both Halting Problem and Intel assembly language >> are a litte mysterious. Therefore they may think they are related. >> > > The x86utm operating system is a proxy for a UTM and uses C > functions as proxies for Turing Machines and the x86 language > as a proxy for the Turing Machine description language. The C language and all versions of x86 instruction set are so complcated that it is harder to prove anything about them. > This provides the means to make every single detail of the > halting problem 100% concrete thus totally eliminating any > false assumptions. That provides the means to introduce false assumptions without making them too obvious. -- Mikko