Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Michael S Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: is Vax addressing sane today Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2024 13:21:32 +0300 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 40 Message-ID: <20241006132132.000050e7@yahoo.com> References: <2024Oct3.085754@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <2024Oct4.170717@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2024 12:21:01 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="18ac7e79562038ddb85a7a321c10035e"; logging-data="1251000"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18CZKBsEZ+XWJAeNJIxgtQN8ggR7MburtU=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:7aBXnkDhzYzSaPv29g+dc2RIbWw= X-Newsreader: Claws Mail 3.19.1 (GTK+ 2.24.33; x86_64-w64-mingw32) Bytes: 2709 On Sun, 6 Oct 2024 00:43:56 -0000 (UTC) Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > On Fri, 04 Oct 2024 15:07:17 GMT, Anton Ertl wrote: > > > Power still survives, maybe only because it has a common basis with > > iSeries (or whatever it is called now). > > As I understand it, iSeries is the emulation of the old AS/400 on > POWER processors. And AS/400 was the unification of the older > System/38 with the System/34? System/36? lines. > > System/38 (or AS/400, or iSeries) has/had this interestingly unusual > architecture which builds database features right into the OS kernel, > so that they can be used everywhere. And it also uses capabilities as > an alternative to the traditional privilege-mode hierarchy. Neither > of these ideas says much for performance, but they still suggest some > interesting possibilities, nonetheless. > > Native POWER is, I think, called pSeries. It continues to sell in its > own right because it offers high performance-- https://www.ibm.com/downloads/cas/B425DZZ1 Try to find word POWER (or Power systems) in this 128-page document. Then may be you will get the idea of how important it is according to IBM management. Compare with 5, 10 and 15 years ago (in the oldest report look for system p) https://www.ibm.com/investor/att/pdf/IBM_Annual_Report_2018.pdf https://www.ibm.com/investor/att/pdf/IBM_Annual_Report_2013.pdf https://www.ibm.com/investor/att/pdf/IBM_Annual_Report_2008.pdf > high enough to earn a > few ongoing spots near the top of the Top500 supercomputer list. This misunderstanding cleared by Anton.