Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: Re: Proof that H(D,D) meets its abort criteria --self-evident truth-- Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2024 19:50:07 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 44 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2024 00:50:07 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="e88715fb4901ad15131714ef179e795e"; logging-data="3327546"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+37GJ6gHL/c/Ljg4pjgEiF" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:mJ/pZYJ04BDuk4CtHQEEskuPFuI= In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3230 On 3/16/2024 7:21 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 3/16/24 8:29 AM, olcott wrote: >> On 3/15/2024 11:29 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>> On 3/15/24 8:45 PM, olcott wrote: >>>> H(D,D) fails to make the required mistake of reporting on what it >>>> does not see. >>> >>> But it DOES make a mistake, because it does answer the question >>> correctly. >>> >>> You are just PROVING you think lying is ok. >>> >>> You TOTALLY don't understand the meaning of truth. >>> >>> You are REALLY just a Pathological Liar, as you have no concept of >>> real truth, >>> >> >> The original halt status criteria has the impossible requirement >> that H(D,D) must report on behavior that it does not actually see. >> Requiring H to be clairvoyant is an unreasonable requirement. >> *The criteria shown below eliminate the requirement of clairvoyance* >> >> (a) If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D until >> H correctly determines that its simulated D would never stop running >> unless aborted then >> >> *H correctly simulates its input D until* >> Means H does a correct partial simulation of D until H correctly >> matches the recursive simulation non-halting behavior pattern. >> >> > > But turning out to be impposible, doesn't make it incorrect or invalid. *You seems to be ridiculously disingenuous about the self-evident truth* For every possible way that H can be encoded and D(D) calls H(D,D) either H(D,D) aborts its simulation or D(D) never stops running. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer