Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Wolfgang Strobl Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Extensive article on Rivendell and Grant Petersen Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2024 16:40:55 +0200 Organization: @home Lines: 45 Message-ID: <3rlifj9ti9r0t3k0g3efhvvouuvrn4jc5d@4ax.com> References: <87wmiy76rx.fsf@mothra.home> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net VX9Pu9RWu/FhuADARJCk1QvoXJwWaB4IKAWWQ2Y3ps7/zLsFEg X-Orig-Path: mystrobl.de!not-for-mail Cancel-Lock: sha1:23tY/IUxT64fl6AmX7ojcqiiSNg= sha256:EM9MFw2gNgu/vXG8xEsMGdOlf08KGvYdLuKPyRNerKw= User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 Bytes: 3639 Am Fri, 27 Sep 2024 15:22:17 -0400 schrieb Frank Krygowski : >About "a moment to clear the rim" on road brakes: Yes, that happens. >It's almost never a significant problem. Road riders don't generally >require absolutely perfect braking to stop at exactly the right spot. >And brake failure of any kind is way, way down the list of causes of >bike crashes. My experience from long time commuting is different. Of course, significant problems are rare, when you mostly ride during daylight, when weather is dry or not overly cold, or when you mostly ride on paved roads. Unfortunately, my commute sometimes had most of these features in common. I vividly remember more than one situation when riding home late, on cold and dark winter day, when easy stopping wasn't possible, anymore, because water or snow froze on the rim faster than the pads could remove it. Now imagine that when needing to ride down a steep descent in the dark. Handling those situations is difficult enough with perfect brakes. I didn't have any oportunity or need for riding in such situations anymore, for much more than a decade now. In fact, I mostly avoided any single of these possible hazards, rain, snow, cold weather, darkness during that time. When looking at people who do group rides or club rides, these people mostly avoid those situations, too. So I have no doubt that there are many people, most of them probably better riders than me, who never had to handle anything like that. And I agree with them! Like myself nowadays, they wouldn't need disc brakes and their complications. Looking back at my commuting days, I think that offroad-riding for leisure and for pleasure is a piece of cake, compared to what you experience when commuting under conditions that aren't inviting and mostly not under your control. Again, I still don't believe that disc brakes are a necessity or generally better than rim brakes, discs still have some notable downsides, I'm not disputing that. In addition, I like choice. I did easily with rim brakes over the last decade and and probably would have used these for the bikes I built in early 2023, if that wouldn't have complicated the build. But I deny that rim brakes don't have any serious disadvantages. They do. -- Thank you for observing all safety precautions