Path: ...!news.roellig-ltd.de!open-news-network.org!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!snipe.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) Newsgroups: comp.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy,misc.news.internet.discuss Subject: Re: Security? What "Security"? Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2024 16:20:22 +0100 Organization: Sn!peCo World Wide Wading Birds Lines: 42 Message-ID: <1r1boqa.10mfokh153s31rN%snipeco.2@gmail.com> References: <1r19ri6.xu1j411x9lob6N%snipeco.2@gmail.com> <87y12ueaej.fsf@tilde.institute> Reply-To: snipeco.1@gmail.com (Sn!pe) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2024 17:20:22 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: snipe.eternal-september.org; posting-host="d1ee75b24f51bdd69e24efd30d7ac434"; logging-data="238451"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+ERpTIhPflihpFaGLVE+Vf" User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.8.6b1 (ed136d9b90) (Mac OS 10.13.6) Cancel-Lock: sha1:d80Fm/Rb5UB9OGFz/kiZD2gIWJE= X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett; WonK; Large Enid; Lydia Dustbin X-Disclaimer: Any advice that I may give is worth only what I paid for it. This article comprises only my personal opinions unless otherwise stated. May contain traces of nuts. X-Face: 5 wrote: > snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote: > > > My pet rock Gordon asserts that every networked device has a backdoor. > > > > Make computing safe again! > > > > > > > Therefore, anything viewable in clear on that device is insecure and the > > quality of message encryption is moot. > > > > Nobody wants the data cattle to have access to strong encryption. > Granted! ISTM that a secure payload would need to be encrypted on a stand-alone machine, air-gapped and never to be connected online. Once encrypted, the payload would go by sneakernet to a networked machine for onward transmission. When the encrypted payload reached its destination it would once again go by sneakernet to another air-gapped machine for decryption. In this way the payload would never be seen in clear on a networked machine. To restate in slightly different words: My pet rock Gordon assumes that every networked device has a back door. Therefore the pursuit of privacy is futile because anything viewable in clear on any of those networked devices is observable, regardless of the quality of encryption used in transmission. Nice side-cutters, BTW. -- ^Ï^. Sn!pe, PTB, FIBS My pet rock Gordon eagerly awaits the expected socialist paradise.